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fmj 06-21-2012 01:05 AM

a word about Palmetto State Armory
 
Well, i tried to stay silent and for the most have succeeded in not dogging out this company too hard.

I bought ( on the advice of a few here) a PSA M-4. Well it was a serious JAM-O-MATIC!. It was on average one in ten rounds it would fail to eject. This is firing right at 1000 rounds.

After about a million calls, one answer, a promise to call right back and no reply. A half dozen e-mails, i had finally had enough and sent a SERIOUSLY blistering e-mail to them. i FINALLY got a response....FROM the chief himself.

They sent me, via e-mail, a UPS packing slip that i printed off. I went to the local UPS shop and sent the upper off on a Friday. The NEXT Friday I received my upper back at home.

I have yet to test fire it. I am hoping this weekend to run some rounds thru it.

According to PSA customer service rep. i guess the armorer "Tightened the ejector". Can someone explain to what "Tighten the ejector" entails?

I hate to dog out any company i do business with, this is why folks have only seen me post here about my issues in passing. When i went to the big IN shoot a couple weeks ago...its failures didnt help this companys reputation any. Over 100 SERIOUS gun enthusiasts got to see it fail time and again first hand. Heres to hoping i can report back about a gun that runs flawlessly!

At this point, the best i can say is they had a GREAT turn around time for repairs.

ScottA 06-21-2012 01:10 AM

The proof is in the pudding. Load up and see what a couple hundred rounds do.

sputnik1988 06-21-2012 01:26 AM

Debating between PSA and BCM, looking forward to hearing how it functions now.

MikeJK 06-21-2012 02:32 AM

Why would you create a thread like this before taking it to the range and putting a decent amount of rounds through it first? Getting a little ahead of yourself?

kytowboater 06-21-2012 02:35 AM

Hey mister! Your thread lies! You wrote more than a word! ;) :D

Dillinger 06-21-2012 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJK (Post 843891)
Why would you create a thread like this before taking it to the range and putting a decent amount of rounds through it first? Getting a little ahead of yourself?

Really?

Because the man has a legit complaint and it was probably closer to use the keyboard than to load up and head to the range. I do agree with your statement, but the answer is pretty obvious.

I was asked to come back here and review the AR section by a senior Supporting Member.

Upon returning I did see a lot of recommendations for PSA that I would not have, personally, been so positive of in my comments.

PSA is an up and comer. If you get a good one, it's great, if you don't - I have personally seen some tragic "builds" of uppers that were less than we would do in the shop. :o

To the OP: I'd like to offer some assistance after you test fire it. I would like to see (3) boxes and a couple of different mags, but I would be happy to look over the system for you if their "repairs" don't fix your issues.

I have been a member here, most on but sometimes off, since 2008 - so my reputation should speak for itself if you are concerned.

JD

ktmboyz 06-21-2012 03:10 AM

I hope it works out for ya FMJ. Looking foward to your results. I have almost purchased A PSA a few times.

What kind of jam issue were you having, ftf or fte ? Sorry if i missed it.. I tend to stay away from here now due to the elitist opinions and back and forth banter.

There are plenty of smart members on here , but I would take JD's word and will give you no b.s. answer.

JonM 06-21-2012 03:14 AM

"tightening" the extractor means the spring was prolly out of spec. if the extractor spring is too weak it will not have the strength to yank the round out of the chamber.

some guns especially the lower end barrels have over large gas holes or incorrect buffer weights and lightened BCG which if combined in the wrong mix can cause a gun to start the extraction cycle before the case has had a chance to shrink as it is still under pressure. when this occurs the exctractor can skip off the rim causing a fail to eject.

a stronger extractor spring more buffer weight or changing to an inspec barrel can eleviate the problem. what exactly is occurring with your gun i dunno. could be one or some or all of those things. what did psa do to fix it prolly replaced the extractor spring and sent it back.

you can get a rubber o-ring from bcm. i HIGHLY HIGHLY recomend this cheap upgrade from bcm http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Extractor-Spring-Uprade-Kit-p/bcm%20extractor%20spring%20upgrade.htm you may or may not need the oring if you get this kit. the ring comes with ive got one and tried installing it... its a cast iron BTCH to get in there. i took it back apart and left it out my rifle doesnt really need it so i put in my wife's dpms panther.

every company has issues from time to time regardless of the product. its HOW that company makes it right that matters. im not impressed to hear you had to yell at management to be heard, if thats what it takes to get an answer and resolution its not good.

my opinion is: any gun SHOULD work correctly right out of the box. a good gun should not ever need a "break in" period.

MikeJK 06-21-2012 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillinger (Post 843914)
Really?

Because the man has a legit complaint and it was probably closer to use the keyboard than to load up and head to the range. I do agree with your statement, but the answer is pretty obvious.
JD

Yes, really. Why get ahead of yourself and make a thread such as this before you've even seen if the problem has been corrected.

The time it took for PSA to respond is excessive but the turn around was lightening quick. To through them under the bus w/o letting the entire situation play out isn't the most responsible thing to do.

I have heard of a couple instances where PSA sent out less than 100% uppers but the %'s are still in their favor. If I was to get another AR it will probably be a PSA.

JonM 06-21-2012 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJK (Post 843971)
Yes, really. Why get ahead of yourself and make a thread such as this before you've even seen if the problem has been corrected.

The time it took for PSA to respond is excessive but the turn around was lightening quick. To through them under the bus w/o letting the entire situation play out isn't the most responsible thing to do.

I have heard of a couple instances where PSA sent out less than 100% uppers but the %'s are still in their favor. If I was to get another AR it will probably be a PSA.

I dont see anything wrong with posting about your cs experiences as it is happening. I did the same thing with my bcm issue


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