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Old 05-01-2013, 06:06 PM   #11
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i bought my Bushmaster used about four years ago and would guess it's about five or six years old. i have probably put a couple thousand rounds through it in the time i have owned it with not one problem to date.

now if Bushmasters are bad rifles, then i must have gotten one of the few good ones. personally, i'm not going to upgrade or fix anything until it breaks or wears out.
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I wouldn't put a BM in the same class as a M&P or DPMS. More like BM is like Diamondback and Doublestar.
Bushmaster, Remington, and DPMS parts are made in the same building in northern NewYork. They are then shipped to each individual manufacturer and assembled. All the same company man.

As far as the M&P's go, S&W is up there with Colt and RockRiver in quality. I'm not gonna go into that tho.. It's an entire threads worth of conversation.
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What your experiencing is ar15 snobbery. Its mainly from people with little real working knowledge of firearms parrotting what they heard on voice chat while playing modern warfare...

There are different grades of ar15 the same way there are different grades of every product in life.

Is a pof bcm dd colt scar better than a bushmaster?? yes. Does it mean that the bushmaster is complete junk?? no.

The bushmaster, m&p, dpms etc serve a specific market of shooters who want a rifle like the ones our military uses or ones they were issued or just cuz it looks cool but which is prolly only going to be used a couple times a year at best.

They also serve well in things like law enforcement where it may get shot once a year with less than 500 rounds going down the tube in a decade or more spending most of its life bouncing in a squad car's gun rack.

Then there are folks like me who want something top end just because its top end. For this a bushmaster wont cut it

Then there are folks who take those guns out and put 15000 rounds downrange training in a year and want something that can handle that kind of abuse. Bushy wont survive this role either.

So it comes back to why should joe down the block have to buy a top end gun he will never see the benefit of its durability or even know the difference?? Thats the market those are aimed at.

Here on ftf its ok to have a negative opinion of a product or service or company, but its not ok to beat someone over the head for picking a product you dont agree with.

Personally i think your tossing money away on a bushmaster when for a few sheckles more you could get a colt or rra or bcm or psa or dd and have a rifle that retains waaaay more of its value than the diff in price. But if it serves your purpose whats it really matter in the end??

I dont judge you by what gear you have but how well you treat your fellow forum member.
I must agree, somewhat, about brand snobbery.

OTOH, while an AR was not at the top of my want list, I kept an eye
out for what I wanted, the price was OK, but the fact it was Colt
sealed the deal.

I'm not familiar enough with AR brands to know what's better or worse
than Colt off the shelf, but I firmly believe you can trash a great rifle
by treating it poorly, and you can also take a 600$ POS, rebuild and maintain
it well, and considerably improve it's performance.

IMO, the snobs many times fall into the trap of assuming that
a great rifle can get treated like crap, and always outperform
other people's gear, regardless.

While I regard Bushmaster to be a decent and well-made AR, I
am inclined to look more to the individual who maintains it, rather
than the AR's brand of origin.
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i bought my Bushmaster used about four years ago and would guess it's about five or six years old. i have probably put a couple thousand rounds through it in the time i have owned it with not one problem to date.

now if Bushmasters are bad rifles, then i must have gotten one of the few good ones. personally, i'm not going to upgrade or fix anything until it breaks or wears out.
Same here my BM has performed flawlessly it's 5 yrs old, me and my bro in law reload our ammo and we've run about 3 to 4,000 rds of mainly 55gr he did have some trigger problem with his DD but being a retired Army small arms expert he fixed it right up, I've never expereinced any issues with my though, i don't see me upgrading anytime soon as long as it performs as it has these past 5 yrs.
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thats the thing. most will perform just fine for most people. run a gun hard and it increases the chance of failure. doesnt matter the brand.

when you buy a higher end AR you tend to get things done closer to what meets combat level expectations for that platform. with lower end stuff you tend to get shortcuts like locktite for the gas key bolts and castle nut instead of staking, skeletonized bolt carriers, overgassed gas systems, things not torqued correctly.

im not saying everything i listed is done or is a complete list by every low end maker or bushmaster in general but its some of the things that can and do show up in budget AR.

generally it doesnt make a difference if a carrier is staked or not until you spend a ot of money on ammo plane tickets hotels and fees for taking a carbine course and you gun dissassembles half way through...

if you stepping outside to the local range and something goes wonky doesnt matter much send it back let the manufacturer fix it no biggee. but if you laid out a lot of time and money to do something like training or a hunt cheaped on the gun and mags and it breaks in the middle of that activity thats another issue.

not saying a high end gun cant or doesnt fail just that the the odds are it will function just fine since higher quality materials and assembly specs are generally used to put it together.

a while back i bought the wife a dpms panther m4. it ran decent out of the box pretty accurate. i took it apart and put it back together staked the gas key staked the castle nut torqued everything to spec and it functioned a bit better gained some accuracy and seemed to be a bit more of a solid rifle. ended up selling it for 2400$ during the big panic. after i got done with it i wouldnt hesitate taking that particular rifle to war.

ive seen low end guns lose their buffer tubes and gas keys at the range. ive seen high end guns break down as well. things break.

there are cheap free things you can do to improve a low end gun to get it pretty damn close to to a higher end firearm and make it more reliable. just getting everything put together to milspec standard for the M16 platform is a great start and most of it can be done for free or with some AR15 tools you should have to begin with if you have one of these guns.
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Thanks I appreciate everyones input. Never had a problem with my bushmaster but srill thinkin I might upgrade a little more. Bcg, charging handle. Stuff like that. Any input on upgrades would be appreciated too. Thanks again
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[QUOTE=kryptar19;1233185

As far as the M&P's go, S&W is up there with Colt and RockRiver in quality. I'm not gonna go into that tho.. It's an entire threads worth of conversation.[/QUOTE]

I must STRONGLY disagree!

RRA and S&W are well made and dependable rifles, but the quality is not anywhere near being in the same league as Colt.
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IMO, unles you are using the rifle for competition or combat, i wouldn't change anything. if it ain't broke don't fix it. persoanlly, keeping it cleaned, lubed and maintained are the best upgrades you can do. it's all i do to mine.
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IMO, unles you are using the rifle for competition or combat, i wouldn't change anything. if it ain't broke don't fix it. persoanlly, keeping it cleaned, lubed and maintained are the best upgrades you can do. it's all i do to mine.
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I must STRONGLY disagree!

RRA and S&W are well made and dependable rifles, but the quality is not anywhere near being in the same league as Colt.
you need to come try out my RRA national match service rifle... it will change your religion. shooting that thing is like a week of great sex with a dozen porn stars...

there isnt anything colt pof bcm dd larue wilson etal that even come close
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