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irontyson1 05-01-2013 08:18 AM

what's the problem?
 
Iv been to a few different forums AR-15.com bein one of them and am hearing nothing but bad about bushmaster. What's the prob? Iv had mine for 4 years and haven't had one problem with it

DrumJunkie 05-01-2013 08:49 AM

Couldn't tell ya. The ones I've tried seem to be right fine rifles. But I own a POS Double Star, they are supposed to be bad too.:cool:

fsted2a 05-01-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by irontyson1 (Post 1232838)
Iv been to a few different forums AR-15.com bein one of them and am hearing nothing but bad about bushmaster. What's the prob? Iv had mine for 4 years and haven't had one problem with it

I think they had a few years during the '90's through the Klinton gun ban that the QC went south just because they worked overtime to keep up with the demand, which seems to be happening now with all the mfrs because of HS buying out a lot of the supplies and ammo. I have seen a few people with Carbon 15's that swear by them. From what I gather, they aren't bad for a 800 buck rifle. A lot of people will just re-gurgitate what they have heard from someone else and claim it to be fact.

jjfuller1 05-01-2013 03:26 PM

ive shot a bushy... it worked fine and was plenty accurate.

it's always the few bad ones that blemish a name.

rjgnwdc 05-01-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fsted2a (Post 1233053)
I think they had a few years during the '90's through the Klinton gun ban that the QC went south just because they worked overtime to keep up with the demand, which seems to be happening now with all the mfrs because of HS buying out a lot of the supplies and ammo. I have seen a few people with Carbon 15's that swear by them. From what I gather, they aren't bad for a 800 buck rifle. A lot of people will just re-gurgitate what they have heard from someone else and claim it to be fact.

Couldn't tough my Bushmaster for $800 bucks... never seen them that cheap:eek:

JonM 05-01-2013 03:43 PM

What your experiencing is ar15 snobbery. Its mainly from people with little real working knowledge of firearms parrotting what they heard on voice chat while playing modern warfare...

There are different grades of ar15 the same way there are different grades of every product in life.

Is a pof bcm dd colt scar better than a bushmaster?? yes. Does it mean that the bushmaster is complete junk?? no.

The bushmaster, m&p, dpms etc serve a specific market of shooters who want a rifle like the ones our military uses or ones they were issued or just cuz it looks cool but which is prolly only going to be used a couple times a year at best.

They also serve well in things like law enforcement where it may get shot once a year with less than 500 rounds going down the tube in a decade or more spending most of its life bouncing in a squad car's gun rack.

Then there are folks like me who want something top end just because its top end. For this a bushmaster wont cut it

Then there are folks who take those guns out and put 15000 rounds downrange training in a year and want something that can handle that kind of abuse. Bushy wont survive this role either.

So it comes back to why should joe down the block have to buy a top end gun he will never see the benefit of its durability or even know the difference?? Thats the market those are aimed at.

Here on ftf its ok to have a negative opinion of a product or service or company, but its not ok to beat someone over the head for picking a product you dont agree with.

Personally i think your tossing money away on a bushmaster when for a few sheckles more you could get a colt or rra or bcm or psa or dd and have a rifle that retains waaaay more of its value than the diff in price. But if it serves your purpose whats it really matter in the end??

I dont judge you by what gear you have but how well you treat your fellow forum member. ;)

Quentin 05-01-2013 04:32 PM

The main problem with Bushmaster and similar brands is the quality of components. Assembly can be hit or miss too. They sell a ton of ARs because of name recognition and because you can find them at the LGS (during normal times). But they ride on their popularity and don't offer the best rifles for the money.

Sure, a BM will do the job unless you push it hard like JonM said but what irritates me is they charge as much as other brands that give you more for the money. Look at the materials that go in PSA or Spikes then compare spec by spec with BM, why not get a better rifle for the same price. Or why not kick in a little more and get even more quality, especially since a quality firearm can be a lifetime purchase that is passed on to you son or daughter.

Anyway, everyone ends up choosing what they "want" and it's not my place to criticize but I scratch my head why people don't get up to speed and shop around before buying.

kryptar19 05-01-2013 04:47 PM

There is nothing really wrong with Bushmaster rifles, but they are priced a little too high for what you get.

Their quality is down there with DPMS, double star, and Remington. On the other hand, their price is on the S&W, Windham Weaponry, and Colt level.

For the average joe or somebody that doesn't run their rifle very hard, BM's are good. I run mine hard so I prefer S&W or Colt. If I spend the Colt price ($1200), if I spend that much I'm gonna build one.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Squawk 05-01-2013 05:07 PM

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"Is a pof bcm dd colt scar better than a bushmaster?? yes. Does it mean that the bushmaster is complete junk?? no.

The bushmaster, m&p, dpms etc serve a specific market of shooters who want a rifle like the ones our military uses or ones they were issued or just cuz it looks cool but which is prolly only going to be used a couple times a year at best.
I wouldn't put a BM in the same class as a M&P or DPMS. More like BM is like Diamondback and Doublestar.

nixfix 05-01-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Squawk (Post 1233135)
I wouldn't put a BM in the same class as a M&P or DPMS. More like BM is like Diamondback and Doublestar.

Well, it's not just the brand either, the model makes a great deal of difference as well. Higher end models user higher end parts and are generally manufactured in lower quantities, thereby theoretically resulting in higher quality.

However, if I've learned one thing in the world of firearms it's that everyone's mileage will vary. The tolerances of gun manufacturers are not as tight as with automobiles, electronics, and such, therefore I've seen high-end firearms malfunction and supposed low-end firearms perform flawlessly. I don't know of any high-volume firearms manufacturer whose QA and QC is tight enough to ensure anything close to zero defects.

What does any of this have to with Bushmaster...I don't know. I suppose I am saying buy one if the price is right, their customer service seems to be reliable, so if it breaks, they'll fix it.


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