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Old 10-05-2011, 07:13 PM   #11
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I am sure I will love it! lol

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Why .40? A lot of agencies and private buyers are going away from it. I myself don't see any improvement over .45. I personally prefer 9mm. With todays bullet technologies 9mm gives you the best of both worlds, capacity and ballistics.

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Old 10-05-2011, 10:35 PM   #13
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The 45 is like 100 dollars more. I am on a limited firearms budget. I would get the 45 if I had the money for ammo. I love to shoot A LOT. I wanted a gun I could shoot and still be able to protect my home. I dont like 9mm not enough power. No offence. The .450 ammo aint cheap either, but I will not be shooting it that much.

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Well you can get into arguments quick on which pistol caliber for self defense, 9mm, 40S&W or 45ACP. But I agree with you Charlie on 40S&W, it's a great compromise round so I now use it too. After 35 years of carrying a Colt 45ACP, earlier this year I changed over to the Glock 23 and 22 and am very happy with the extra capacity.

However 9mm in the right loads will do the job like MJKEAT said. You don't want FMJ, that's where 9mm got a bad rap while you *might* get away with FMJ in 45ACP and 40S&W (especially since it's square nosed not like ball ammo). If you're going to shoot a lot and are on a budget then 9mm will save you a bundle. For practice and plinking, Federal Champion at Walmart is $19.99 for 100 round box right now.

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SD ammo is much more expensive and roughly the same in 9mm or 40 for something good like Winchester talons. For practice stuff you can't beat the price of 9mm.

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The 45 is like 100 dollars more. I am on a limited firearms budget. I would get the 45 if I had the money for ammo. I love to shoot A LOT. I wanted a gun I could shoot and still be able to protect my home. I dont like 9mm not enough power. No offence. The .450 ammo aint cheap either, but I will not be shooting it that much.
No offense taken but when researching ammunition the "gap" in "power" quickly disappears.

This way one can have a nice lower cost .cal firearm for high volume shooting yet have a capable self defense weapon.

Not wanting to start the proverbial pissing match but I want the info out there for those reading this thread who may have not done the research on their own.

I will say the old saying, theres no replacement for displacement is often times true. There is however a point when you exceed the practical amount of force needed to defeat your target.
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I like .40 cal S&W rounds. Where I am at, it is cheaper and more available than .458, 450, or .50 cal. It will put an intruder down for the count, with minimal risk of overpenetration. Pistol cals are better for home defense for that reason. Just my .02

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Out of .458 socom, .450 bushmaster, and 30-06 springfield what does the most damage to its target? I am looking at getting a Remington R-15 .450 Bushmaster or the Bushmaster .450 Rifle, but if the .458 socom or the 30-06 springfield is more powerful I will get one of them instead of the .450 bushmaster. From what I understand I can change the upper reciever to a .458 socom.

Is it greatest to least:
.458 socom
.450 bushmaster
30-06 springfield

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Out of what u listed the 30-06 is the most powerful by far and has the greatest range and velocity

Correct me if im wrong but there is no ar platform that will use this round
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I did not find one.

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Out of what u listed the 30-06 is the most powerful by far and has the greatest range and velocity

Correct me if im wrong but there is no ar platform that will use this round
Oh, I am sure someone has gotten bored and built one just for sh**s and giggles, but I don't think anyone is producing them on any scale. I personally don't want one; there are other calibers available that will suit my needs. If you have enough of a budget, you might want to drop Red Jacket a line, see what they can do.
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I have a 450 Bushmaster and enjoy it. It is very magazine sensitive though and most people are having problems with reliability. Tons of info on 450Bushmaster.net • Portal
The 458 Socom is a little more powerful from what I've read, but ammo is about double the cost IF you can find it.
These 450 mags are supposed to be very reliable and are 9 rounds:
Bushmaster Magazine AR-15 450 Bushmaster 9-Round Stainless Steel Matte - MidwayUSA
You can use any AR15 .223 magazine and use the Bushmaster 450 follower also called a single shot follower.
As for the 30-06, it's a great round and I love mine but there are no AR platforms for it. The closest you can get is an AR10 in .308 which is also a very good all around cartridge.

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