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What's the Velocity/FPS and general Ballistic difference betweem 7.62x39 and 7.62x59 ? The only difference I am aware of is one is NATO (the x59) and the other is Russian (the x39).
Oh and just outta curiosity, this is sorta off topic, being about a different caliber and all, but besides the StG-44 (Assuming you all kno what gun that is, which I am sure you do) are there any other civilian legal Rifle/Machine-Pistols that shoot the 8x33mm Kurz (a.k.a. 7.9mmK, or 8x33 Polte) ? I would love to get an actual StG-44 (Sturmgewehr 44) but the few that I have found for sale, are up in the $15,000 and up, range!!! Which, needless to say, as a struggling musician, I cannot even imagine affording one anytime soon lol Same thing with a Thompson Sub-Machine gun .45ACP, which the only two that I have found are like $20,000. But I figured that there had to be more then just one gun that fired the 8x33mm Kurz round, and I am a huge history buff, mostly Roman/Greek era, classical History and Mythology, Egyptology, etc etc, but I am also a huge Military History buff, and I love WWII stuff, and wanted to add some WWII rifles to my slowly growing collections (last time I posted, I only had 3 guns, but yesterday I just got my custom Painted, Storm-Trooper style (Black & White) Romanian AK-47, which I paid 900$ for, which most of that price was for the paint job (Which you wouldn't think a basic paint job like Black and White, storm-trooper theme, would be that expensive, but apparently any paint job on a gun is kinda pricey from what I've been told) and the optics rail and fore-grip, I had put on it. So that is officially the oldest gun I own. I used to own a Mosin-Nagant a few years back, but it got stolen (along with my Xbox360/PS3, 47" LED LCD, Laptop, iPod Touch, a few other expensive items) when my apartment got broken into, so now the AK is the oldest gun I own, but I would like to change that. And really am interested in the 8x33mm Kurz round, since its so historical, and the story behing how the Sturmgewehr 44 came to be is really cool. Hitler told them not to make it, that it was a waste of money cause his soliders already had everything they needed, and the Kar98k was actually his favorite gun, he loved it, he used it when he fought in WW I, and he thought it was the best gun in the world (which at the time, it definitely was one of the best) and that it was all his troops needed. And the german people considered the Kar98k to be a symbol of german, military superiority, so that was another reason he didn't want his troops using something. He was iffy about even allowing the MP-40 to be produced. So he orderd them not to make the Sturmgewehr 44, but one of his Officer (i kno the guys name, but I can't remember it off the top of my head) went behind his back and had it put into production, and then one day, when Hitler was visting the Russian front, doing his meet and greet with the troops, they put a new rifle into his hands, which was the Sturmgewehr 44, and he instantly feel in love with it, and ordered it into production, not knowing that it already was lol but unforunately for the Germans (Lucky for the Allies) it was too late, for it to make a difference in the war. But had it gotten into the hands of a significant amount of troops, a year or two prior, when they still were winning the war, it could have changed the outcome of the war for the worse (for the better for the germans). So yea, anyways, anyone kno of any rifles that shoot it the round ?
EDIT - Just remembered that dudes name that went behind Hitlers back, it was Haenel. He was the Officer who did not comply with the order Hitler gave to not continue development and start production of the StG 44, and so Haenel resorted to subterfuge to be able to continue development. He then had the weapon renamed to hide its true identity. They classified it as a sub-machine gun instead of a Carbine,and named it the Maschinenpistole 43 (Machine Pistol, Model of 1943). And like I said, the reason why Hitler didn't want the weapon Developed/Produced, was because in Hitler's mind, based on his own combat experience in World War 1, a service rifle should fire a full-power cartridge so it could shoot accurately at long range (800 to 1,000 meters). The MP43 as it was called at that time, because they were hiding it from Hitler, fired a lower powered cartridge that was effective to about half that range. This however, inferred other advantages that made the weapon more suitable to the needs of modern mobile warfare, which was the doctrine of the German military. Once Hitler was convinced of this, then it was all good in the hood lol and he christened the weapon himself as the Sturmgewehr 44, literally translating to "Storm-Rifle" or "Assault-Rifle", hence, the first Assault Rifle was born, and the rest is history ! So that's another reason we have to thank the Germans, even tho the Nazi's were friggin *******, Facist, pigs, they were amazing Engineers, Weapon Designers, Military Tacticians, etc etc. Really, if it wasn't for Hitler insisting on Making all the final decisions, instead of letting his commanders make on the go decisions while in the field, they might of actually beat the Russians. But Hitler made his commanders check with him before doing anything, even if they were in the middle of a fire fight, the Field Marshals were not aloud to make any Tactical decisions without calling Hitler himself on the radio first. Unlike Our military, where our Commanders our given a general outline for their missions, and then they are aloud to make decisions on the go on how to best complete that mission. They don't have to call back home for every little thing. And so not only did Hitler make his commanders do this, but Hitler thought he knew better then even his most experienced, commanders, and by the time they were fighting the russians, Hitler had already started to lose his friggin mind, and so made some horrible, crazy, non-sense, decisions, and just led his troops to slaughter pretty much, hence why for the last couple years of the war, there were over 100 assassination attempts on his life, all of them being concocted by his own people lol
Last edited by Fates_Enemy; 11-01-2011 at 11:43 PM.