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Old 11-12-2013, 05:50 PM   #11
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I have always been told that along with the dirtiness, what makes it worse than most brass cased stuff is the projectile. Don't quote me on this, but what I have been told is that most brass cased ammo's projectiles are lead core, and a pure copper jacket. And most steel cased ammo's projectiles usually have lead core, and a steel jacket that is copper plated. I am no professional by any means but I could imagine a steel jacketed round with a tiny bit of copper plating is probably alot harder on your barrel over time than a copper jacket lead core. That being said, I still use alot of Tula, and alot of brass. I try to swap out what I use every other time just in case. I read an article earlier this year that was pretty long but it was extremely informative on the subject of the effects of different kinds of steel and brass cased ammo. I will try to dig it up and post it so everyone can read it if they'd like.

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Well first off, I been getting to like TulAmmo.
Also I think for AK's its perfect since it is made by the cmpany who makes the Ammo for Russias Armed Forces.

The complaints about Tula in the AR world centered about the dirtyness of it ( remember ARs are direct impingment so all that dirt coalesces inside ) , the laquer ()which I think isnt really an issue and I belive has been changed) , and the thermal expansion rate of steel cases compared to brass.

All those things affect how Ammo will act in ARs.
In Aks pretty much all russian ammo works well
Thanks. I have a bunch of it and it sounds like it's time to get back to the range!!
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I've never shot anything but Tula out of my AR, not one single issue, I did have one bad primer in a 7.62x39 though.

As already stated it's some filthy stuff but I clean after every range trip so it doesn't get too bad.

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http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/
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The problem with steel cased ammo is it doesn't expand and seal off the chamber. 2 weeks ago I shot 60 rounds of .223 and one box of 7.62 multiple jams with 2 separate ar's and quite a few ftf with the m1. Tula will no longer be shot out of any of my arms. Sorry about multiple of the same pictures but it kept saying they were not attaching.

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I have always been told that along with the dirtiness, what makes it worse than most brass cased stuff is the projectile. Don't quote me on this, but what I have been told is that most brass cased ammo's projectiles are lead core, and a pure copper jacket. And most steel cased ammo's projectiles usually have lead core, and a steel jacket that is copper plated. I am no professional by any means but I could imagine a steel jacketed round with a tiny bit of copper plating is probably alot harder on your barrel over time than a copper jacket lead core. That being said, I still use alot of Tula, and alot of brass. I try to swap out what I use every other time just in case. I read an article earlier this year that was pretty long but it was extremely informative on the subject of the effects of different kinds of steel and brass cased ammo. I will try to dig it up and post it so everyone can read it if they'd like.
There is a kernel of truth to this but the test ( linked above) was done with almost lal magdumps.

Both the western and the russian ammo would wear out the barrel about half as fast or less with normal shooting.

And the amount of rounds it takes to wear out a barrel you'd save $2000+ dollars in Ammo cost.

That buys a lot of barrels.
And with double lapped CHF barrels like all my Ar have i am even less worried about that.

Having said all that still buy western Ammo for my SHTF Cache and my BOB
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I prefer brass ammo (who doesn't?). The vast majority of my ammo is brass cased.

But the Russian stuff has its place. It's cheap and generally performs well in a quality rifle. Filthy...yes, so what? Clean your rifle! Many of these rounds are excellent options for practice, defense, varminting, and even precision shooting. Also makes for nice, affordable prep in terms of the zombie/robot apolcalypse. When the ROBOTS come for your soul, you will value your 50 loaded ready-to-go AR mags, brass-cased or not.

I really like the Silver Bear 62gr .223 HPs. Excellent ammo. Sadly, CTD seems to be the primary seller of this round, and I will no longer deal with them.

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I have been happy with it when I (seldom) use it.

Last time was when I was on the road and met up with some folks to go shooting. That's back when walmart had ammo

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I shoot Tula in my Mosin Nagant's but never my mini-14 or AR. I just flat out don't want it in either of my 223's but love it in the mosins. Cheap, dirty, inaccurate and unreliable plus I reload so the extra dollar I have to pay for brass cased ammo gives me 20 pieces of brass for my trouble. Enjoy the Tula and if anyone gets a line on some 7.62x544r Tula let me know. Its scarce as crap around here. Probably some mall ninja hoarding it.

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Half of all U.S. military ammo from the 20th century used steel jackets. It's much softer then barrel steel and does no harm. Even in machine guns.

If it was harmful to your weapon, I doubt you's see so many experienced, knowledgeable shooters using it.

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