[Quentin]

Originally Posted by magnum05

Like to get some thoughts and opinions on the DPMS AR 15's before i decide on it.. Found one brand new with red dot for $719.00. Like to know if they are good ar's or not

Originally Posted by TimKS

I would like to hear some reasons for your somewhat negative review of the DPMS AR with a red dot.

Sure, there are better rifles out there, but they are more costly also. IMHO the DPMS is a fine rifle for that money.

Originally Posted by locutus

I have a DPMS LR308 M-4 in 7.62X51. Well over 1000 rounds of ball ammo. No problems...

Originally Posted by locutus

... The M-4 version in .223, DPMS AP-15,M4 is the official issue patrol rifle of the Wyoming highway Patrol.

Originally Posted by fmj

heres my "uneducated" thoughts on this....

I have been doing research on AR 's for a couple months now, as i am in the market for one.

Outside of the half dozen naysayers here, i have read exactly 1 bad review about the DPMS AR. (oracle NOT sporter)

In comparison, i have read WAY many more negative reviews about the Remington 700 and the Remington 870 respectively...both FINE boom sticks in their own right.

This leads me to believe the DPMS isnt all that bad a unit.

I will be buying a DPMS with confidence....unless of course i come across as good a deal on a Daniel Defense, Stag or similar weapon @ the Indy 1500 March 17th.

Originally Posted by cfraga1978

I started out like many others by talking to my lgs guy who talked up the dpms. He had a whole rack of them. Then I did some real research on ftf and others and yes there are lots of negative reviews about dpms out there. Never take the word of a guy trying to make a buck.

Originally Posted by purehavoc

Im just glad I listened to alot of knowledgable people around here, did alot of research BEFORE I bought it , instead of being a hard head and buying what I was originally after at my local store . Dont get me wrong I would have loved to use my local store and keep business close but I wanted a rifle that was better quality for the same money and they just couldnt provide it to me for what I wanted to spend . In the end my 3 weeks of research and lots of great people around here paid off in helping me get me exactly what I was after . It may not be branded with Noveske , DD or Colt name but so far its been a superior rifle and I have ran it hard on a few outtings , has roughly 1500-2000 rds thru it in the last 40 days without any hiccups . I would like to say thanks to ATikki, Quentin, MJKeat , and a few others I know I forgot to mention .

I wanted to pull together a few quotes from this thread to illustrate how these threads tend to go. Very often someone new joins up and asks what do the FT forum members think about a particular AR. They may have already bought it or intend to. They say they did their research and this particular AR is the best.

Now in the last quotes look how cfraga1978 and purehavoc handled the same situation and what they thought after reevaluating their first choice. And that's why some of us who've been around the block with ARs try to give what we think is good advice and steer people to other brands.

Maybe some snobbery enters, we're human, but I don't think we're out to shame anyone, just help them avoid mistakes, many that we've made ourselves. Sometimes we get exasperated because the same "as good as" threads crop up every week. You get tired of repeating yourself and short with someone when you don't mean it. Yeah we're human.

One thing for sure, as cfraga1978 pointed out, carefully evaluate "the word of a guy trying to make a buck". Last time I checked, forum members don't make a buck from our free advice. And of course we don't all agree, we come from different perspectives, there isn't one single FTF doctrine but pay attention to what the man who has nothing to gain says. He might just be honestly trying to help.

[AgentTikki]

Originally Posted by MrWray

On another thread i mentioned a friend of mine taking me to the LGS with him because he isnt that knowledgable about firearms.it was the same LGS where i had bought my 1911 mid last year and my friend wanted the same 1911. Well i found the same 1911 in the gun case and they had jacked the price up $55 more. I quickly informed the guy that i had just bought the same 1911 a few months back and now its marked up even more. He got this bewildered look on his face and after a few seconds of silence he asked me how much i had bought mine for. When i told him he said " ok, ill sell it for that price" my friend expressed how glad he was that i went with him.

Prices change, that's the nature of business. A few months is a long time in my humble opinion. The fact that they marked down the price for you friends is pretty cool in my book!

Here's to hoping your friend bought you a beer in appreciation!

[locutus]

Quinten,

With all due respect, I am new here, but I'm very active on another gun forum. I'm also a former police firearms instructor, and I've been shooting personally owned ARs since the late seventies.

Now that doesn't make me an expert, by any means, but I'm not an 18 year old virgin on the subject either!

I respect your opinions and experiences on the subject, but my experiences with the DPMS have been different.

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by locutus

Quinten,

With all due respect, I am new here, but I'm very active on another gun forum. I'm also a former police firearms instructor, and I've been shooting personally owned ARs since the late seventies.

Now that doesn't make me an expert, by any means, but I'm not an 18 year old virgin on the subject either!

I respect your opinions and experiences on the subject, but my experiences with the DPMS have been different.

How old is your oldest and newest DPMS?

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by locutus

Quinten,

With all due respect, I am new here, but I'm very active on another gun forum. I'm also a former police firearms instructor, and I've been shooting personally owned ARs since the late seventies.

Now that doesn't make me an expert, by any means, but I'm not an 18 year old virgin on the subject either!

I respect your opinions and experiences on the subject, but my experiences with the DPMS have been different.

Locutus, I'm an older guy too and sorry I may have come off as condescending. But we older guys can still learn new tricks. I'm not saying an existing rifle that you trust is bad, you trust it and that's all that counts. But if you're buying today it's time for a new trick or two and look at what you can get for the same price or a couple hundred more. Your research today might not show DPMS in a favorable light.

[locutus]

I also didn't mean to come across as some kind of 'smart-ass."

(But as I get older, I find myself unintentionally doing that more and more. )

I haven't bought one for several years now, so you may be correct.

I was basing my post primarily on two rifles. An M-4 version in 7.62X51 that I own and use, and a 24 inch heavy stainless steel "target" version (also in 7.62) that my son owns.

Both of us have been very happy with them. That heavy barrel sucker will outshoot most of my bolt guns for accuracy.

[deadworm]

I've had the "cheapie" model of a dpms for several years. added a gas piston system, a jp muzzle brake and a jp hydeaulic buffer. very pleasant to shoot
an d accurate as hell. don't understand the negs people have of dpms. if you like the damn gun buy it! don't let the naysayers on here ruin a good deal for you.
they mostly have other brands of ar's and get a little snootie about THEIR gun choices.
JMHO

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by deadworm

I've had the "cheapie" model of a dpms for several years. added a gas piston system, a jp muzzle brake and a jp hydeaulic buffer. very pleasant to shoot
an d accurate as hell. don't understand the negs people have of dpms. if you like the damn gun buy it! don't let the naysayers on here ruin a good deal for you.
they mostly have other brands of ar's and get a little snootie about THEIR gun choices.
JMHO

Time of owner ship has no bearing on quality.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by deadworm

I've had the "cheapie" model of a dpms for several years. added a gas piston system, a jp muzzle brake and a jp hydeaulic buffer. very pleasant to shoot
an d accurate as hell. don't understand the negs people have of dpms. if you like the damn gun buy it! don't let the naysayers on here ruin a good deal for you.
they mostly have other brands of ar's and get a little snootie about THEIR gun choices.
JMHO

Glad you like yours but with so many DPMS problems reported don't you feel reckless recommending with confidence? No doubt in your mind in the least?

I have a couple Tauruses that have worked well for years (though with light use) but hesitate recommending Taurus because they're so hit or miss. And because there are low cost alternatives that I do trust. Same with DPMS, I don't hate them but don't see how anyone can in good faith recommend a product with questionable reliability, components and QA.

[mjkeat]

I know why they would feel ok w/ recommending DPMS. It's because they don't know any better and they want to believe their firearm is desirable to others. The worst thing is others are to selfish to tell them the truth.