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Old 03-31-2012, 04:56 AM   #11
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would bcm be a good ar brand in D.i. system? only thing i give gas piston system ar's is in an example of shooting constantly, and takes longer to do maintence and comparing to a D.i., D.i.'s components wear faster due to the residue going into the insides and heats it up too...
I disagree with all of the above except that the BCM is an excellent choice. The piston's supposed advantages vaporize in the real world.
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the only benefit i see from a piston system referring to firing FA, the other advantage i see is that it will take longer for one to clean the insides
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would bcm be a good ar brand in D.i. system? only thing i give gas piston system ar's is in an example of shooting constantly, and takes longer to do maintence and comparing to a D.i., D.i.'s components wear faster due to the residue going into the insides and heats it up too...
None of that is true.

Like most of us have said cleaning isn't easier, doesn't take less time, and the pro of FA is not worth the cons even if you were going to be firing FA.

DI's do not wear faster.

Where did you get this information?
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i recognize that cleaning will take a good amount of time but how many rounds later will i have to clean it compared to a D.i. style ar

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Um ok. Iono in the course of a day I've gone through 1k+ rounds with a di runing and gunning and doing rapid fire drill. No.failures to speak of, and un believably I did this all with a DI gun, in the desert. Shooting prone, rolling around a bit too, getting down and dirty. Its just a good old time. Unbelieveably I did it again, and again, and you know what I'm gonna do it again in a couple of weeks.

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i see what you mean but using this as a example. lets say you clean @ 1500 rounds, at that point im still shooting and havent needed to clean the piston driven...not trying to offend, just trying to express what i mean (no offense)

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I do admit. The bcg gets no where near as dirty as a DI's. But ther gas port does get nice and fouled with lots of nice carbon build up.

I like to spend a good 20 mins cleaning each of my DIs if I have the time. Picking all the carbon off the bcg does take a bit of time. But if I'm in a rush, bore snake the barrel a couple time, lube my bcg and I'm done. 3 minutes flat and I wouldn't think twice about going through another case of 5.56.

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i see what you mean but using this as a example. lets say you clean @ 1500 rounds, at that point im still shooting and havent needed to clean the piston driven...not trying to offend, just trying to express what i mean (no offense)
Armed Citizen, double that and it's what my Daniel Defense ate w/o failure before seeing any sort of real TLC.

There is also an article titled Filthy 14. The subject of that story is an AR (BCM) that went 50k rounds in EAG carbin courses w/ no more cleaning than a wipe down.

You are more than welcome here but sit back and absorb the info given. You'll be better off for it.

Piston ARs are fine but have some important cons and no real pros for the average shooter.
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Geez, I clean my rifle after every range trip regardless if I shot 20 rounds or 1000

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Geez, I clean my rifle after every range trip regardless if I shot 20 rounds or 1000

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I used to do the same thing...matter of fact, I bought my LWRCI specifically so I wouldn't have to tear down the BCG after EVERY trip. I'm just lazy that way.

After talking w/some of these guys, I've come to the conclusion that a pristine rifle.....it's not necessary.

I still don't let them go more than a couple thousand rounds tho....
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I actually enjoy cleaning them. After a day at the range, I strip then down. Makes a whole day out of it between the range and cleaning. Gives me some time away from the misses too!

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