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Old 05-10-2011, 02:07 AM   #11
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Here's another thought. In a fluid situation, do I really need a cheek weld? What about using a scope mount that puts the scope ABOVE the iron sights, with a see-through capability to be able to throw my cheek down on the stock to use my iron sights?

Employing a cheek weld is a little uncomfortable anyway on my neck. This way, I could stay away from Handgun scopes and stay with rifle scopes.

BTW, I have done some measuring and I will need at least 7" of eye relief, with the adjustable stock set at its longest (my preference). A handgun scope seems to require about 11" and a rifle scope 3-5". This is why I am wondering about raising the scope ABOVE the iron sights.
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One more thought, after a couple hours of searching around for odd mounts.

I'm thinking I'm just going to buy as good a scope I can purchase, probably with 3-5" of eye relief, remove the rear BUIS, fold down the front sight, install it into a nice 1-piece 2-ring mount by Leupold or YHM and then deal with a more specialized mount when I have more money.

This money really ought to go into the glass and not be frittered away on weird special mounts. There's a Leupold Mark AR series scope I've got my eye on.

Simple is better.
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I was going to say, the BUIS are nice to have, and correct me if I'm wrong, but why would you need them if you have a scope on the rifle and no batteries in the scope to run out?

This is just my opinion, but I don't personally think I'm going to get into a situation where I have to rely on BUIS because my batteries are dead and the zombies are coming.
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I would suggest that co-witness is not an issue with a magnified optic. Co-witness is something you do for a red dot (aimpoint) sight or a holographic (eotech) sight.The purpose of co-witness is so if/when your optic goes out, you simply flip up your irons and stay in the fight. Because you can sight through the ,now defunct, optic. You cannot do this with a magnified optic. The front sight is too close to the optic. As a result it is a barely visible blurry mass at the bottom of your sight picture when looking through the optic. Backup iron sights on a weapon with magnified optic is pointless unless you also get a quick detach base for the scope. Without a QD base, you will need tools to remove the scope in order to bring the buis into play. If you are hell bent on a scope, either get the QD mount so you can use your BUIS, or just take the rear sight off of the gun and don't look back.

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There are scope bases and mounts that are attached and removed with a single lever. I dont like being battery dependent either so I use low power fixed or variable scopes. 2.5x on my 10-22s and 1.5-5x on other guns where I want fast sighting capabilities. I have found that shotgun reticles are very fast.
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You can do a magnified optic w/ a 45degree offset RDS. That way you can use less expensive rings. All you'll have to do is rotate the rifle 45degrees to aquire the RDS. No need to remove your magnified optic to deploy the RDS or BUIS. Its a 3gun thing that works great and is extremely fast.
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That's a good point, lon! Without a battery-dependent scope, a standard scope isn't likely to fail, except from blunt force trauma.

This is a scope question. Is an IR scope better for SHTF, though, given that low-light condition and less than optimal conditions might prevail? I might want a reticle that is super easy to acquire. That glowing red dot or cross may be more helpful than not.
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I just ordered a Nikon M-223 1-4x20mm with Point Blank Reticle from Optics Planet.

For my neighborhood-protecting, goblin-stopping needs, this combination of magnification, reticle, and quality is perfect for me!

It is on sale at Optics Planet for $279, and it includes a $100 Nikon mount and free shipping. Then I also found a coupon code online (spiv5of) and got 5% off.

$264

By the way, I'll be removing my rear BUIS until I someday get a quick-release mount. I guess the $80 sight is going to go in the drawer. Oh well...
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