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Old 10-18-2011, 04:18 PM   #21
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That picture sums up my frustration. I should give up now and stick with iron sights.
All depends on what you're doing with your scope. Mine doesn't look like that, its a little different, but I use it and the data you get from it is very valuable.
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I don't like the straight duplex sights. I would like something with a bullet drop compensator.

I'm seriously considering this:
Walmart.com: Nikon 4.5-14x40 Buckmaster Side Focus Rifle Scope in Matte with BDC Riflescope: Hunting

Stop me if you think I'll be disappointed. I do love the Nikon i have on the .458 (standard duplex)

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All depends on what you're doing with your scope. Mine doesn't look like that, its a little different, but I use it and the data you get from it is very valuable.
I'm just saying, try to count the piggies.
Let alone pick out the one you want to shoot:



note, this was fun to make in photoshop, Please also answer my previous psot.
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I don't like the straight duplex sights. I would like something with a bullet drop compensator.

I'm seriously considering this:
Walmart.com: Nikon 4.5-14x40 Buckmaster Side Focus Rifle Scope in Matte with BDC Riflescope: Hunting

Stop me if you think I'll be disappointed. I do love the Nikon i have on the .458 (standard duplex)
Bdc has been around since ww2 with the russian pu scopes its part of their military sniper doctrine and doesnt work all that well. My opinion bdc isnt good enough for ethical hunting. My opinion is it magnifies range estimation errors. It compounds the guess made by the scope maker on how your individual load and rifle perform along with end user range guess errors.

Its like trying to take a shortcut. If there was such a thing as a shortcut it would be the main route of travel...

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I'm just saying, try to count the piggies.
Let alone pick out the one you want to shoot:



note, this was fun to make in photoshop, Please also answer my previous psot.
I believe thats the very pricey horus reticle. Supposed to be fast but i dont see how. Im sure once the pattern is memorized it can be but that reticle blocks a lot of vision!!
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Instead of using a BDC reticule you would rather estimate estimate range and adjust MOA clicks?

I'm not sure if other scope manufactures provide this type of software. This Nikon software looks pretty sold.


Actual software: Nikon Spot On&#153 Ballistic Match Technology Program
(it requires you to install Java by Sun Microsystems) It's fun to play with.
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I was just playing around with that software some, using the scope I'm thinking about buying. Also using the ammo I'm most likely to go hunting with.

Hornady 308 Win 150 gr InterLock® BTSP



This is what I will print out an put on my rifle.
Then I'll go to the range and test to be sure the load works the same.


You can really get to know your round before you even make it to the range.


Basically @ 300 yards, it drops 1'
One thing for me to note, the FPS I used was based on a 24" barrel and I'll only be getting a 20" barrel. So should I knock it down 100 fps?

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you still have to estimate range. doesnt matter whether your using a bdc or mildot or moa or milrad.

the difference is how much versatility you want.

i like using the dials and reticle. in my nxs ive got 30moa of hash marks before i have to touch the elevation dial. i use the hash marks like a bdc. its just not marked in yards. when used in conjunction with the elevation dial my moa reticle can easily be turned into a very accurate bdc. just a cheat sheet for whatever load. a ballistic program really helps.

for one round i use it has 10inches of drop at 300yds with 100yard zero. so all i gotta do is hold 3.5 hash marks of elevation. or give 5 clicks up and hold 2 marks if i want to be more precise.

anyway i can tune my reticle for any given range and any given ammo. i just like the versatility. used in conjunction with my laser range finder its pretty slick. i can quickly make a range card for a field of fire and get after it.

any reticle can be used as one just have to know what the measurements of the reticle xhairs are in moa mil or milrad or inches. even a standard duplex scope can be used as a poor man's bdc. just a matter of knowing the manufacturers measurements.

im not saying bdc is bad or evil but its not a no-homework solution, its just different, and external ballistic programs do greatly help

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Jon you are a wealth of information.
Did you say what scope you have?

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