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 05-25-2011, 09:53 PM | #1 | Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 9 |  Russian 556 steel case ammo-flash retardant
My gun smith says the flash retardant used by ammo makers like Wolf are harmful to AR 15 gas systems. He says they employ simple calcium carbonate powder for flash and the stuff builds up harming the AR.
Even when he sells it in his shop, it is labeled not suitable for AR 15s. I'd appreciate any thoughts on this issue.
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| 05-26-2011, 01:07 AM | #2 | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 3,446 |
I'd say he's being over cautious. People have run many thousands of rounds of steel case through ARs with no problems. I use it all the time in two ARs with no problems and will continue to do so. The calcium carbonate wrinkle sounds like a rehash of the problems with powder in Vietnam.
I'd say give it a try if you want. Most ARs run it just fine, some don't. Either way it's not going to hurt anything. __________________
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| 05-26-2011, 03:53 AM | #3 | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 332 |
hrm...
there is wolf and bear ammo that i've used in my Spikes Tactical.
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| 05-26-2011, 04:21 AM | #4 | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,459 |
I run tons of Wolf through my ARs. No issues, at all, and I run them hard. __________________
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| 05-26-2011, 05:28 AM | #5 | Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Eastern, Iowa Posts: 46 |
In the Army we used to throw on blank adapters that literally plug the barrel in order to create enough back pressure to cycle the bolt. Those blank round are just gun powder and are insanely dirty. If the AR can handle that dirty BS then it an handle anything. Unless for some reason the ammo was corrosive.. then I wouldn't shoot it. __________________
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| 05-26-2011, 09:54 AM | #6 | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 3,446 |
True, true, old surplus 5.45x39 and 7.62x39 sure wouldn't be good for the gas tube but today's Russian steel case in .223 is not corrosive and an AR should handle it well. __________________
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| 05-26-2011, 10:58 PM | #7 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Celina, Ohio Posts: 177 |
I also have shoot Wolf ammo. Thinking of getting some Tul ammo as it is supposedly made in the same facility and is slightly cheaper (makes a difference on 1000 rounds). __________________ Libertarian Party Member
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| 05-27-2011, 12:03 AM | #8 | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 326 | Russian Made Ammo
A lot of people bash Wolf ammo because it uses a berdan primer (has mercury) and say it will destroy your barrel. So will normal gunpowder if you don't clean it. It shoots and feeds just fine, and its a LOT cheaper if your not into reloading (I'm not yet).
The casing isn't high quality, but they go bang. Saves a lot of money though. Would I trust it for Home Defense? Eh, no. I'd rather use American ammo, (Remington UMC for me). So if your looking for a plinking round, its good to go.
Out of the first 90 rounds I shot of a 500 round case, I've had one misfire so far, but no failure to feeds or magazine problems. __________________
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| 05-27-2011, 03:25 AM | #9 | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 3,446 |
Wolf .223 uses standard boxer primers. No matter I guess, it works fine whether you use it for your AR or the berdan primers for your AK. __________________
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| 05-27-2011, 04:18 AM | #10 | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,459 |
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Originally Posted by easterner123
A lot of people bash Wolf ammo because it uses a berdan primer (has mercury) and say it will destroy your barrel. So will normal gunpowder if you don't clean it. It shoots and feeds just fine, and its a LOT cheaper if your not into reloading (I'm not yet).
The casing isn't high quality, but they go bang. Saves a lot of money though. Would I trust it for Home Defense? Eh, no. I'd rather use American ammo, (Remington UMC for me). So if your looking for a plinking round, its good to go.
Out of the first 90 rounds I shot of a 500 round case, I've had one misfire so far, but no failure to feeds or magazine problems.
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