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Old 04-25-2012, 01:42 PM   #11
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Well hopefully I can take advantage of the dip. I just hope none of our companies hurt themselves to the point of closing.

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Another thing as far as the Cerberus companies, (Remington, DPMS, Bushmaster), is now that they've got military obligations to meet, (120,000 weapons), that is going to slice into their ability to ramp up civilian sales. Bottom line, don't look for Remington, DPMS, and Bushmaster rifles to be avaliable by the boxcar load as we've been accustomed to seeing. At least not in the immediate future.

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Well hopefully I can take advantage of the dip. I just hope none of our companies hurt themselves to the point of closing.
I think what you've just mentioned is partly to blame for what we're seeing now. They all got burned by over producing the last time around, so they'll be very reluctant to expand production again, and be forced to deal with the same problems down the road. Yes, meeting customer demand is very important. But not at the risk of hurting the company in the process further down the road.
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Sounds like the manufacturers have learned now if the general public would learn we wouldn't have this problem. Lol

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Remington, DPMS, Colt, Bushmaster, etc if I'm not mistaken especially when it comes to big contracts aren't their components sub contracted out anyways most likely to the same company?

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I wonder how many guys are begging their squad leader to be put on the 249 or 240 knowing these will be hitting the arms room. I just hope the .gov inspectors are well rested they're going to have their hands full. They can't get it right on the civilian side lets pray they do it right for our service men.

It's a sad ****ing day when they award a contract such as this to the bottom feeders. It's not we're talking about a pair of pants or 550 cord.

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I wonder how many guys are begging their squad leader to be put on the 249 or 240 knowing these will be hitting the arms room. I just hope the .gov inspectors are well rested they're going to have their hands full. They can't get it right on the civilian side lets pray they do it right for our service men.

It's a sad ****ing day when they award a contract such as this to the bottom feeders. It's not we're talking about a pair of pants or 550 cord.
No kidding. A rifle is a soldiers second most important item, his brain being the first. Hopefully they do our men and women overseas right and make a good product. Plus, if they can take the changes they implement to follow the TDP specs and apply them to their civy rifles, we may see more quality rifles on our end. Always a welcome sight!
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One thing that will be interesting is whether Remington will be allowed to continue selling a commercial version of the M4. FN wasn't allowed to sell a commercial M16, only Colt has sold both military and commercial M16s and M4s. Bushmaster may have to become the commercial side of the the Ilion factory.

This also is an excellent example that parts vary in quality. Obviously Remington can't sell rebadged Bushmasters on the contract and expect to get by the inspectors. They no doubt are scrambling to buy true milspec components and probably will keep the govt and commercial sides of the factory separate. What goes into the typical Bushmaster won't go into the M4s sold to the military.

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I hope this contract makes the Freedom group come up to speed and start making some better quality firearms. This they have the economies of scale from milspec production, maybe hopefully it will carry over to their civilian line.

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