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Old 12-29-2008, 09:04 PM   #11
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5.56x45mm frangible rounds are pretty easy to come by. A good frangible round will penetrate human flesh but begin to disintegrate when it comes in contact with lath and plaster or exterior walls. The downside is that drywall does nothing to stop it.

IIRC, There a even a couple of different Glaser loads available.
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. But buckshot at close range will have suitable one-shot-stopping power -- arguably more than a 5.56 -- without chewing up your drywall (unless you miss).
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I'm with bkt - Inside the house I like my 1911 first, or need be, my FN Shotgun.

Outside the house I like the AR for short range, Zombie in the Wire type of applications.

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I'm with bkt - Inside the house I like my 1911 first, or need be, my FN Shotgun.

Outside the house I like the AR for short range, Zombie in the Wire type of applications.

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A well practiced 1911 shooter is better than a vascular surgeon when it comes to accuracy though.
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Just one quick comment about an AR as a home defense rifle: they're not necessarily too good for that. If you have neighbors anywhere near you or you have others living in your home, the AR is not a good choice because the rounds can very easily penetrate through multiple interior and exterior walls.
When my alma mater police department was researching adopting AR's (5.56 / .223) as patrol rifles, one of the biggest objections by the city attorney and politicians was that of over penetration, which our research said was not an issue. So, we did our own tests, using dry wall, doors and floors. What we learned was that our issue .40 caliber pistol ammo (Ranger SXT) at the time, penetrated deeper than HP 5.56 / .223. I know it seems odd, but that's what we found.

That's my experience, your mileage may vary.
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Just one quick comment about an AR as a home defense rifle: they're not necessarily too good for that. If you have neighbors anywhere near you or you have others living in your home, the AR is not a good choice because the rounds can very easily penetrate through multiple interior and exterior walls. The chances you might accidentally hurt a family member or neighbor are comparatively high. I recommend a shotgun with #2 or #4 buckshot for home defense.

A generic AR configuration is ideal for medium range on out to maybe 300 yards. (That's a reach.)
A shotgun is great, until you need to make a precision shot on a badguy holding a hostage, or fire more than 8 rounds at a time.

A shot gun can only beat a rifle at breaching locks and shooting birds...

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When my alma mater police department was researching adopting AR's (5.56 / .223) as patrol rifles, one of the biggest objections by the city attorney and politicians was that of over penetration, which our research said was not an issue. So, we did our own tests, using dry wall, doors and floors. What we learned was that our issue .40 caliber pistol ammo (Ranger SXT) at the time, penetrated deeper than HP 5.56 / .223. I know it seems odd, but that's what we found.

That's my experience, your mileage may vary.
That has been the consistent results from several other sources, with some great credibility...
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Looks like we are getting a little off track from where I started. Can anyone tell me if GG&G make quality parts, particularly tactical forearms, and vertical grips? Also what about their flip-up front and rear sights? Thanks, Jamie

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Looks like we are getting a little off track from where I started. Can anyone tell me if GG&G make quality parts, particularly tactical forearms, and vertical grips? Also what about their flip-up front and rear sights? Thanks, Jamie
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Jamie...hopefully you forgive the guys here. They really do mean well, but tend to lose track of the subject at times...we all do that.

As for your question...GG&G makes some top notch gear, and you would do well with any of their parts. Yes, there are a few other brands out there that some of the 'rambos' will swear you have to have over them or any other brands, but I have yet had anything by GG&G fail on me.

I do have their flip up sights on a few of my guns, as well as their forearm/vertical grips and quick release optics mounts. I've had those same parts on a few guns that have been through a couple carbine courses with no problems. I would not be afraid to buy from them again or mount any of their equipment on any of my AR's.

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Thanks sloryde45,

Yeah, I know it's easy to get off track. I figured there would be guys with responses of "you have to use brand 'x'" or "anything but brand 'y' is junk," or some such response. I was suprised how few responses of what actual brand names are good or bad. I came across GG&G's website and it looked like quality gear, also made in U.S.A. I know others are as well, and I am checking into those as I get info. on them. I know very little about ar's, so I'll listen to all the help I can get. Shoot safe, Jamie

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