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KJG67 09-28-2013 03:39 PM

Preban/Postban
 
Can someone set me straight on the preban/postban issue? Illinois (not Chicago). Preban upper on a postban lower?
Thanks.

fsted2a 09-29-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KJG67 (Post 1386349)
Can someone set me straight on the preban/postban issue? Illinois (not Chicago). Preban upper on a postban lower?
Thanks.

During the Klinton Gun ban,(1994-2004) there were "evil" features that manufacturers were not allowed to put on civilian owned rifles. Those included: Bayonnette lug, flash hider, adjustable or folding buttstock, pistol grip, and detachable magazine. You could only have two "evil" features if you were a civilian. Most chose the pistol grip and the detachable mag. Some states, Illinois is one of them, have their own version of the ban, so you will have to check with someone knowledgeble in your state regarding the regulations there. Be careful of having pre-ban features on a post ban firearm.

Mercator 09-29-2013 10:54 PM

The term "pre-ban" is lingering mostly in the used gun sales ads. As a way of saying "it may be illegal for you to buy" without actually saying it.

trip286 09-29-2013 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercator (Post 1387876)
The term "pre-ban" is lingering mostly in the used gun sales ads. As a way of saying "it may be illegal for you to buy" without actually saying it.

More than anything it's just fluff, especially when you see it in places like where I live.

When I see "pre ban", I think "translation: old".

There is no current federal ban, so the words "pre ban" likely have different meaning based on location. I chuckle to myself when I see ads in my area for "pre ban" this, and "pre ban" that. Because here, it's exactly like I said, it just means "old". It means "made before", and nothing more. I can get the same stuff here now, that I could have back then.

What really cracks me up is when people seem to think those little words make their gun more valuable. Technology, especially in the areas of sporting rifles (the guns this term is most applied to) has advanced so much in such a short time, that "pre ban" doesn't just mean "old" to me, it also means "obsolete", and that parts may or may not be hard to find, depending on how many proprietary parts the specific make/model employed.

And like many other used things, it also likely means "worn out" by being rode hard and put up wet. Kinda like when you see the words, "'92 Honda civic, REAL CLASSIC!!!" In the classifieds. Yeah... sure...

SSGN_Doc 09-29-2013 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 1387884)
More than anything it's just fluff, especially when you see it in places like where I live.

When I see "pre ban", I think "translation: old".

There is no current federal ban, so the words "pre ban" likely have different meaning based on location. I chuckle to myself when I see ads in my area for "pre ban" this, and "pre ban" that. Because here, it's exactly like I said, it just means "old". It means "made before", and nothing more. I can get the same stuff here now, that I could have back then.

What really cracks me up is when people seem to think those little words make their gun more valuable. Technology, especially in the areas of sporting rifles (the guns this term is most applied to) has advanced so much in such a short time, that "pre ban" doesn't just mean "old" to me, it also means "obsolete", and that parts may or may not be hard to find, depending on how many proprietary parts the specific make/model employed.

And like many other used things, it also likely means "worn out" by being rode hard and put up wet. Kinda like when you see the words, "'92 Honda civic, REAL CLASSIC!!!" In the classifieds. Yeah... sure...

It can mean more money in states that will allow pre-ban guns to have features grandfathered in, that newer, state-ban compliant guns, can't have.

fsted2a 09-30-2013 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 1387884)
More than anything it's just fluff, especially when you see it in places like where I live.

When I see "pre ban", I think "translation: old".

There is no current federal ban, so the words "pre ban" likely have different meaning based on location. I chuckle to myself when I see ads in my area for "pre ban" this, and "pre ban" that. Because here, it's exactly like I said, it just means "old". It means "made before", and nothing more. I can get the same stuff here now, that I could have back then.

What really cracks me up is when people seem to think those little words make their gun more valuable. Technology, especially in the areas of sporting rifles (the guns this term is most applied to) has advanced so much in such a short time, that "pre ban" doesn't just mean "old" to me, it also means "obsolete", and that parts may or may not be hard to find, depending on how many proprietary parts the specific make/model employed.

And like many other used things, it also likely means "worn out" by being rode hard and put up wet. Kinda like when you see the words, "'92 Honda civic, REAL CLASSIC!!!" In the classifieds. Yeah... sure...

Trip, if you will notice, the OP lives in Illinois, one of the worst states for guns. I don't know if they allow grandfathered in firearms or not. You and I live in pro 2a states, he does not. While pre or post ban has no real relevance to us, it may to him.

KJG67 09-30-2013 02:30 AM

Thanks. The confusion is surrounding putting a pre-ban upper on a post-ban lower. I know there's no AWB anymore, but a quick search of the web and you'll see the basic answer is it's a no-no and I'm just trying to understand why. Those posts are after 2004. My city and county don't have any restrictions. May just call the ATF this week to find out.

fsted2a 09-30-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KJG67 (Post 1388070)
Thanks. The confusion is surrounding putting a pre-ban upper on a post-ban lower. I know there's no AWB anymore, but a quick search of the web and you'll see the basic answer is it's a no-no and I'm just trying to understand why. Those posts are after 2004. My city and county don't have any restrictions. May just call the ATF this week to find out.

I beleive your state has a lot of restrictions. Right now, the feds only restrictions are relevant to NFA items, such as silencers, short barrel rifles, and full auto. Don't take anything for granted. Check your state for restrictions on firearms. I beleive they still have a ban.

1911love 09-30-2013 09:39 PM

If I had to guess, it would be that the lower has to be pre-ban because it's the only part considered a firearm. I'm no lawyer and have never been to a ban state. Good luck.


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