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SkilletFan24 04-25-2014 11:54 PM

Nickel Boron vs Fail Zero bcg
 
I'm just wondering what the difference is between the two. I have a mil spec bcg right now and I'm looking to maybe get a new one. PSA is selling their nickel boron coated bcg for $119 on sale. I've been looking into a bcg that can run without lube but is there any difference between the nickel boron one and the fail zero bcg? The price is attractive for the psa one and I don't want to spend more than I have to.


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GonzoLonzo 04-26-2014 04:29 AM

I have no experience with the fail zero so I can't help there. However, nickel boron bcg are not meant to run without lube. They just run longer with lube.

Quentin 04-26-2014 04:44 AM

What are the specs of your existing BCG? Is it truly milspec, as in M16 specs? And what are the specs of the coated ones? The coating should NOT be the first thing you look at since you can coat a turd.

And you DO want to lube the BCG.

sweeper22 04-27-2014 01:41 AM

NiB is overpriced and overrated in my opinion.

Now to be clear, that doesn't mean it's not quality. I'm sure there are some awesome NiB BCGs out there. The FailZero has an excellent reputation, as does the Spike's. And now many companies are offering budget ($120--AIM, PSA, many others) M16 NiB BCGs. I've considered buying one just for the heck of it...eventually I'll pick up a PSA in one of their package deals I'm sure.

But my standard $80-140 M16 BCGs from Spikes, PSA, and AIM leave nothing to be desired. And if I'm spending any more than that, it's a BCM for me. Regardless of the materials involved, you should clean and lube your bolt occasionally.

JonM 04-27-2014 03:15 AM

Use some 30w non-detergent motor oil and you only need to lube once after each cleaning...

I'm no fan of these coatings. The phosphate chrome lined milspec ar15 carriers hold lube very well if your using one that doesn't burn off after a few shots like 30w motor oil..

If you run any special coated bcg dry your asking for trouble. They cut corners and then use cheap coatings to sell inferior product. Wasn't too long ago a vendor passed around a fail zero bcg for members to abuse and it only made it to the second person before it self destructed. Cheap junk in my book.

Just my opinion do what a will.

I run bcm bcg groups for a reason. I use completely chromed rra bcg in my A2 match rifle. Stupid easy cleaning. It sees very low usage between wipe downs and never gets run hard. For everything else its bcm.

SkilletFan24 04-27-2014 05:26 AM

Thanks y'all. I was intending to lube it anyway since metal on metal should always have lube, but if worse comes to worse I would like to know it can run without lube. That's all. Besides, easier cleanup than a phosphate finish is attractive IMO since I'm lazy and don't like to spend lots of time cleaning my rifles.


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JonM 04-27-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SkilletFan24 (Post 1566372)
Thanks y'all. I was intending to lube it anyway since metal on metal should always have lube, but if worse comes to worse I would like to know it can run without lube. That's all. Besides, easier cleanup than a phosphate finish is attractive IMO since I'm lazy and don't like to spend lots of time cleaning my rifles.


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Then I would strongly recommend the rra all chromed bcg

kt1982 04-30-2014 04:22 AM

I have no experience with the PSA BCG, but I have a fail zero BCG. I love it, it can run forever with just a dab of lube, and it is easy to clean.

fsted2a 05-03-2014 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SkilletFan24 (Post 1565794)
I'm just wondering what the difference is between the two. I have a mil spec bcg right now and I'm looking to maybe get a new one. PSA is selling their nickel boron coated bcg for $119 on sale. I've been looking into a bcg that can run without lube but is there any difference between the nickel boron one and the fail zero bcg? The price is attractive for the psa one and I don't want to spend more than I have to.


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1.Don't run your BCG dry, no matter what the ad says.
2. Get your BCG from an established, reputable company. I have never heard anything bad about PSA products. $120 is a decent deal on a M16/AR15 BCG. I wouldn't pay more than $20 over what the phosphated cost is.
3. If the company is claiming you don't have to use any lube, run like hell the other way. It just doesn't pass the common sense test. Metal on metal friction needs lube, period. No coating can change that fact. NiB coatings mean easier clean up, and are generally smoother action when lubed. It is progress, just not the evolution some marketers have claimed.

fsted2a 05-03-2014 06:09 PM

Here is a thread with a range report on my test fire of SAA NiB BCG to add to the discussion. Hopefully someone will find it informative.
http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/another-nib-coated-bolt-carrier-105895/
A good phosphate coated BCG will probably turn out pretty good as a NiB coated carrier. Just look beyond the hype and enjoy the benefits, and accept it is not a "miracle cure" part.


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