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Old 11-15-2011, 08:00 PM   #11
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So you'd take the 204 over the 223 for coyote? And does the round fit into a 223 lower?
Sabre Defence use to make a complete 204 upper for the AR platform.
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http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=1165386&destination=%2Fcatal og%2Fproduct.jsp%3FproductId%3D707618&WTz_l=YMAL%3 BIK-225733

I found this one and it was a lot like what I was looking at
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I'm going to get a complete upper in .204 for my AR. That way, I'll have both a .204 and a .223. I'll use the 24- inch .204 for zapping prairie dogs at up to 300 yards. As far as you shooting them beyond that distance.....well sorry, I just don't believe you.

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If it were me I would go 223 and not look back. Outside of the speed of the 204 I don't see an advantage. 223 is cheaper, shoots just as flat inside the effective range and there are TONS of loads for them....204 doesn't have any of that.

I must admit, the 204 is a cool little round.

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The 204 is a neat little cartridge. However if I was going to buy a complete upper I would probably go with the 223/5.56 cal. There are a couple of reasons. One being the availability of the ammo anywhere as well as the cost. The other is regarding cost of the 204 would only be best if you reload everything you shoot. Finally the availability of various grains of bullets. I have shot coyotes, fox, bobcats and pigs with the 223/5.56 successfully by selecting the correct bullet. Unless the 204 had perfect shot placement it might be a stretch to bring a wild pig down. Sometimes it is a little bit of a stretch for the 223/5.56. The other issue is you stated the 22" barrel length. I might assume you were referring to a bull or heavy barrel. You want to rethink that when considering walking around all day packing a heavy rifle looking for yotes. I might suggest that Rock River makes a Predator Model and a Coyote Model which both are 223/5.56 uppers. The Predator Model uses the same lighter 20" Stainless barrel that is used at Camp Perry for the National Match Rifles and it is extremely accurate. And I agree with the AXX man!
Even though 600 yard shots can be made with the 223/5.56 it also is greatly effected by the wind. And the 204 even more. I would not suggest shooting a varmint at 600 because even though they are predators I like good humane kills on anything I shoot all the time.
That's my take on it. Good luck on whatever choice you make.

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thanks 03, i agree, from a reloading stand point, the ammo selection is better for the 223. i like the 204, and i do reload for it, but my rifle is a Remington M700 in 204. also IMO, the 204 would only be good for coyote sized animals and under, but was designed for smaller game at much longer ranges than the 22WRM cartridge. factory ammo selection in different bullet weights is much better than the 204 also. IMO, the 204 is a niche cartridge that fits it's intended purpose well if used as it was designed. it is a varmint caliber pretty much.

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Cabela's: CMMG Varmint AR-15 Upper

I found this one and it was a lot like what I was looking at
That is a nice looking upper, but if you could get all of that with a vented hand guard for less? Check out this link.

Custom 20" .223 1x9 SS Bull Gas Block Vented HG

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Custom 20" .223 1x9 SS Bull Gas Block Solid HG
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That vented upper is extremely nice, and a lot cheaper than that other one. How would the 5.56 62grain ball fmj ammo made by federal do with pigs? I have a surplus ammo cans filled with them

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Shag, I personally would not use fmj ammo on any kind of animal... I have a thing about using ammo I know will NOT expand readily and could pass through my prey leaving less damage and therefore the high possiblity the animal will suffer for an extended period of time before expiring...

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What would you recommend then?

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