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unknownhero82 02-12-2010 06:55 PM

new ar build
 
so i'm about to start a new ar build...soon as i get some tax monies back :D i'm lookin at a bravo company upper...it's an 11.5" it's $780 but it says NFA next to it...does that mean i have to do something different to get it?

hillbilly68 02-12-2010 07:48 PM

Not to get the upper alone you dont have to have SBR paperwork, but brother you better not have a non-pistol AR lower in your posession. Best thing to do is have the pistol lower before you get it or a pre-approved SBR lower. Can you own a short bbl upper by itself? Yes. Can you get popped for having a complete 16" rifle plus a short upper? Yes. Can you get popped for having a stripped lower and a short bbl upper? Absolutely. Here is the one case that you can get in trouble for your "intent" even if you dont have the intent to build one.

Part 2, cant go wrong with BCM stuff; rock solid and top notch. Just stay within the NFA rules.

unknownhero82 02-12-2010 09:45 PM

ok but what are the nfa rules? and what do you mean by a pistol lower? it's gonna be a rifle..like with 5 position stock...and like a reddot or acog optics...i was just wondering how i can get that upper or even the 12.5 upper...i mean i see it for sale on the website but how do go about actually ordering/owning one lol

Dillinger 02-12-2010 10:00 PM

Here's the deal bro, if you have a stock on it, your barrel length has to meet the NFA rules, which i am pretty sure is 16". At least it's 16" here in Washington and I know several other states. Don't quote me on that inch length, check your local laws.

Now, how you get an 11.5" barrel and still meet the regulations?

That is where an extended flash suppressor comes in. You would have to get a 5.5" flash suppressor and have it tack welded or spot welded or some other way of PERMANENTLY afixing it to the end of your rifled barrel.

Really, you aren't getting anything out of this, because you still need the full length to be legal, but you are losing rifling accuracy.

If you get a 16" barrel, or say a 14.5" barrel with a 1.5" flash suppressor, you are getting a more accurate rifle.

Check your local laws concerning rifled barrel length, but I think 16" is pretty standard.

JD

unknownhero82 02-12-2010 10:25 PM

ok well i guess that idea is out...i just thought it would have been a pretty badass ar with an 11.5 or 12.5" barrel with the forearm rail bein like 11 or 12" lol but i guess i'll have to stick with a 16" lol and see if i can find a 13.5 gaurd for it

stalkingbear 02-13-2010 12:42 AM

If I'm not mistaken, screwed on then pinned (muzzle break) qualifies as permanent in the eyes of BATFE.

Highpower 02-13-2010 02:40 AM

Federal Regs: Minimum 16" barrel AND at least 26" overall length.

Quote:

APPENDIX A
NFA, 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53

THE NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT
TITLE 26, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 53 INTERNAL REVENUE CODE

§ 5845 Definitions.
For the purpose of this chapter-
(a) Firearm. The term 'firearm' means
(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in
length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than
26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of
less than 16 inches in length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall
length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(5) any other weapon,
as defined in subsection (e); (6) a machinegun; (7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18,
United States Code); and (8) a destructive device. The term 'firearm' shall not include an antique firearm
or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon,
the Secretary finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is
primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.

Highpower 02-13-2010 02:58 AM

Quote:

CHAPTER 2. WHAT ARE “FIREARMS” UNDER THE NFA?
Section 2.1 Types of NFA firearms


2.1.3 Rifle. A rifle is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and designed to use the energy of
an explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled barrel for each single pull
of the trigger.11 A rifle subject to the NFA has a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.

----------------------------

The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to
the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of
attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100°F) silver
soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over.
Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod
into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the
furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and
measured.

11 26 U.S.C. 5845(c)
Edit to add quotes.

hillbilly68 02-13-2010 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unknownhero82 (Post 229599)
ok well i guess that idea is out...i just thought it would have been a pretty badass ar with an 11.5 or 12.5" barrel with the forearm rail bein like 11 or 12" lol but i guess i'll have to stick with a 16" lol and see if i can find a 13.5 gaurd for it


FWIW take a look at a BCM mid length gas system with a 14.5 bbl with the permanent hider. As short as you can get legally and you pick up the mid length gas.

JD is right, 16in bbl is the minimum, and with a conventional AR that means the actual bbl is 16 then you add the screw on brake/ flash hider.

If you want to go all the way though, get the stripped lower, get it engraved as an SBR, apply throught the ATF and get the $200 tax stamo and you get the short upper. Few months wait, but in the end you will have what you really want. But take a look at the 14.5 with permanent, you dont lose too much velocity that way and they are still very compact. My 2 Lincolns.

unknownhero82 02-13-2010 08:43 PM

sweet thanks everyone for all the advice and help :)


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