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Old 01-28-2012, 02:03 PM   #11
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If all you are looking for is a better trigger kit, here's a nice Spike's trigger that might please you. It's a single stage and breaks at 6lbs., but could be lightened with a different spring kit. Looks nice though.

http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Spikes_Tactical_Battle_Trigger_Set_p/sp-sla01bt.htm

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The ALG Defense Quality Mil-Spec (QMS) Trigger is designed for those shooters where tradition, value and regulatory
concerns are of primary importance. The pull of the QMS is very similar to a standard mil-spec trigger, however the
majority of the associated grittiness of the stock trigger pull has been removed while the well known reliability of a stock
trigger remains. The pull weight is not lower than the M4/M16 minimum weight specification of 5.5lbs

1. Performance Advantages for the Shooter
• The ALG Defense QMS trigger pull is smoother than a
stock trigger. This is accomplished by honing the sear
surfaces smooth while not removing metal below the
valleys of the stock surface finish.
• Sear geometry has not been changed from
standard so the high reliability that the stock trigger is
known for is unchanged.
• Trigger and hammer are made from true 8620 alloy
steel military specification castings, correctly carburized,
quenched and tempered for high surface hardness.
• Disconnector is 1070 High Carbon steel properly
Austempered into the spring range of hardness
• Springs are corrosion resistant and meet military
specifications.
• A full force hammer spring is used for positive ignition
of all type of ammunition.
• Trigger and hammer pins are improved over stock mild
steel by using 4140 Chrome-Moly steel that has been
quenched and tempered. Pins are centerless ground to
a fine finish and a diameter 0.001” larger than stock to
reduce play in the trigger assembly while retaining a slip fit
into the weapon lower receiver.
• Pull weight is above the U.S. Military minimum pull
weight of 5.5lbs but does not reach near the upper limit of
9.5lbs. Generally, the pull weight is about 6.5lbs


2. Advantages for the Armorer
• The ALG Defense QMS trigger is an enhanced
standard trigger so maintenance and installation procedures
are unchanged.
• There is spare parts commonality between the QMS
and stock triggers
• Trigger assembly parts may be interchanged between
triggers, there are no matched sets.
• Since it is a trigger meeting the U.S. Military trigger
specifications for the M4 Carbine, the ALG Defense QMS
can be substituted for lower performing stock triggers while
still staying in compliance with Unit or Departmental
requirements.
Retail Price: $45

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The ALG Defense ALG Combat Trigger (ACT) is designed for those shooters where tradition, value and regulatory concerns
are of primary importance. The pull of the ACT is very similar to a standard mil-spec trigger, however it is sharper and the
grittiness of the stock trigger pull has been removed while the traditional reliability of a stock trigger remains. The pull weight
is not lower than the M4/M16 minimum weight specification of 5.5lbs


1. Performance Advantages for the Shooter
• The ALG Defense ACT trigger pull is smoother and
sharper than a stock trigger. This is accomplished by
polishing the sear surfaces smooth and HardLubing the
trigger components.
• Sear geometry has not been changed from the
standard profile so the high reliability that the stock trigger
is known for is unchanged.
• Trigger and hammer are made from true 8620 alloy
steel military specification castings, correctly carburized,
quenched and tempered for high surface hardness.
• Disconnector is 1070 High Carbon steel properly
Austempered into the spring range of hardness.
• Springs are corrosion resistant and meet military
specifications.
• A full force hammer spring is used for positive ignition
of all type of ammunition.
• Trigger and hammer pins are improved over stock mild
steel by using 4140 Chrome-Moly steel that has been
quenched and tempered. Pins are centerless ground to
a fine finish and a diameter 0.001” larger than stock to
reduce play in the trigger assembly while retaining a slip fit
into the weapon lower receiver. Both pins are Nickel-Teflon
coated.
• Pull weight is above the U.S. Military minimum pull
weight of 5.5lbs but does not reach near the upper limit of
9.5lbs. Generally, the pull weight is about 6.0lbs.


2. Advantages for the Armorer
• The ALG Defense ACT trigger is an enhanced
standard trigger so maintenance and installation procedures
are unchanged.
• Trigger assembly parts may be interchanged between
triggers, there are no matched sets.
• As a trigger meeting the essential U.S. Military
trigger specifications for the M4 Carbine, the ALG Defense
ACT can be substituted for lower performing stock triggers
while still staying in compliance with Unit or Departmental
requirements.
Note about HardLubing:
HardLubing is ALG's term for electroless Nickel plating with
an integral modifier to the base nickel plate. Either Boron
or Teflon is used to enhance surface hardness, wear
resistance and corrosion resistance and also create
favorable tribological properties of the trigger components.
Testing has shown that differential coating of the
trigger parts contributes to the sharpness of the ACT's
single stage pull. The trigger component is plated with
Nickel-Boron which has a high surface hardness combined
with excellent wear resistance. The color is a pleasing
matte light grey that may be painted on non-functional
surfaces if the shooter so desires (such as the trigger bow
that is visible outside the lower receiver). The hammer,
disconnector and trigger/hammer pins are plated with
Nickel-Teflon which combines a low coefficient of friction
with good wear resistance. The Teflon impregnation colors
the metal a mottled, greyish/green. Parts coated with
Nickel-Teflon cannot be painted. Both coatings are highly
corrosion resistant eliminating the oil seal of traditional
phosphated firearm components.
Retail Price: $65

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I just got a Geissele SD3G. OMGWTFBBQPWNAGE.

Can't wait to so some speed drills with it...got a scoot n shoot trip planned in a couple weeks.

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BTW a single stage milspec type trigger is a great all around choice for multipurpose use. For me, a smooth single stage is good for shooting inside of 200 yards. If I want to go out further I usually look for something else.

Two stage are better suited for precision type builds, as the second stage allows you to know exactly when the trigger breaks.

Figure out your intended use, and let it guide your decision.

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BTW a single stage milspec type trigger is a great all around choice for multipurpose use. For me, a smooth single stage is good for shooting inside of 200 yards. If I want to go out further I usually look for something else... Figure out your intended use, and let it guide your decision.
I think that's good advice. Pretty much everything I do now is inside 100 yards and a crisp milspec trigger is all I need.
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The rock river 2 stage should be about 80-$90. I'm happy with mine.
Link please?

I have an unfinished lower and a lower with a standard DPMS trigger I would like to trade out.

I have yet to see a RRA under $125.00. I did purchase a complete RRA LPK for $150.00 a year or so ago.
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I just got a Geissele SD3G. OMGWTFBBQPWNAGE.

Can't wait to so some speed drills with it...got a scoot n shoot trip planned in a couple weeks.
They are awesome
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'The RRA 2 stage is a good trigger and one I recommended to you in pm. You can try cheaper still by getting JP reduced power springs, link and video tutorials provided. There may be issues with redcued strikes on primers - I've never run into it, but there are always people who wil sya they "heard....

http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.8.1_fc.php

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