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Old 01-16-2015, 03:59 AM   #1
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Okay, so I finally decided to build an AR platform. My goal is to design a gun for hog hunting out of a climbing stand. So I want sometime as compact and light as possible. I pretty much got everything done but I can't figure out if I want to go all black or go OD Green on the buttstock, pistol grip, magazine, and rail? Any suggestions on Camo/Color and any suggestions on keeping the weight of the gun down? Thanks!

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Old 01-16-2015, 04:19 AM   #2
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In my experience camo or other color options don't help to save weight! :-) I don't own any black AR's. I Cerakote them all. To really cut down on weight avoid mounting 50 things to the rails/hand guard. I've got a couple with flashlights which rarely get used. You keep from hanging crap off the front end and it should be pretty balanced, assuming you didn't build with a bull barrel.
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TexasGunner, thanks for your input. Should have been clearer, the whole color issue has to due with wanting to break up the outline of the gun so it would be some what camo'd. Don't know if by changing the color really would help with that or not.

In regards to weight, I was thinking about either getting a flutted barrel or lightweight barrel. I was also thinking about using a carbine length rail with no sights. Are there any other items/elements of the gun that I can save in weight?

Also, where do you get your parts cerakote'd at?

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http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/polymer-vs-7075-t6-alloy-stripped-lowers-106781/ .... I don't know how to share threads off the forum with my phone. But if it's not a run and gun AR and you want to cut weight maybe look into polymer. You can also get a polymer hand guard that weighs 6 ounces. PSA has them on sale for $15 bucks. http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/palmetto-state-armory-polymer-carbine-drop-in-rail.html. Might take two months to get it tho.
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Why is weight so important if you're not going to be toting it around? Wouldn't you maybe want a heavier gun for faster followup shots? (less recoil)
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TexasGunner, thanks for your input. Should have been clearer, the whole color issue has to due with wanting to break up the outline of the gun so it would be some what camo'd. Don't know if by changing the color really would help with that or not.



In regards to weight, I was thinking about either getting a flutted barrel or lightweight barrel. I was also thinking about using a carbine length rail with no sights. Are there any other items/elements of the gun that I can save in weight?



Also, where do you get your parts cerakote'd at?



Thanks again.

My apologies! I thought you already had it built! You might try a Spikes barrel. I have one that is what they call "optimum profile" and I like the weight of it. Not a fan of pencil barrels. As far as the hand guard goes..... BCM makes a super light one that is pretty nice. I did a build with a Lancer LCH5 carbon fiber one that was super light as well. As for the Cerakote. I do all of that myself.

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This is my 5.56 14.5" with pinned flash hider. Weight is not bad at all. I like longer hand guards. More comfortable grip position.
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If your hunting you want a long handguard so you have something to rest the rifle on without getting into contortionist positions.

My preferred handguards are the midwest industries keymod lightweight rifle length. Barrel nut gas block and handguard together weigh 10.7 ounces...

I prefer the pencil barrels coming out of bravo company, well the cold gammer forged chrome lined ones. They retain superb accuracy when hot. 210 rounds (combat load 7 30 round mags) will hold 2.5" group at 100 yards nonstop firing.

For hogging something like 458socom would be ideal.
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The majority of the weight does come from the Barrel and Accessories attached to the gun. Some guys will buy a reasonable weight rifle and then with no consideration put heavy accessories on it. And as was mentioned you want a good quality light weight aluminum quad rail or free float tube. If you are going to be hunting in the daytime a light free float tube could be used to reduce weight and also work but be sure either the tube of the quad is cut to relieve weight. I prefer a gun that weighs around 7 lbs. or 7.5 with optic. As Jon stated a 458 SOCOM is a pig stopper DRT! As they say. But with the barrel it does add weight. I would also consider a 6.8 SPC not that I have not killed a bunch of hogs with the 223/5.56 because I have. But love my 458 SOCOM. Not the lightest with the 16" barrel but very stable and does a fantastic job. I call it the HAMMMER when it comes to Hogs. Only issue I would suggest you load for it if you go that way. 6.8 SPC is available in almost all stores now days. But will work great on Hogs and I have killed Deer with it also with one shot when used. (Shot Placement like any other round is important.) But I must agree to me there is TOO LIGHT when it comes to a great stable Pig rifle. Here is my 458 Pig Rifle. It now has a Light Weight Quad Rail on it so I can mount an NV Unit with the Scope. In the picture was the initial free float tube.
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