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Dillinger 06-07-2008 01:05 AM

Need Feedback Please
 
I am prepping the AR Assembly Instructions, as promised, and I need to know if these pictures, two of over 100, are clear and concise. As I have stripped dozen of these types of firearms over the past couple of years, this makes perfect sense to me, but I need some feedback from the forum if it will work for instructional purposes.

The basic question, can you understand the part names and can you understand where they go in these two pictures?

Quick replies would be appreciated as I would like to finalize the lower assembly instructions before the end of the weekend.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4...pinglq3.th.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9...tentxe7.th.jpg

Note: If you viewed it, you have an opinion, please post it. :D

Thanks,

JD

jeepcreep927 06-07-2008 01:57 AM

Your layout and the photos look great. All the instructions in the world can't beat a good picture. The colored hammer and trigger springs are an excellent idea to show the proper orientation. I have put together tons of lowers and still fiddle around for a minute or two sometimes trying to remember which way they go:confused: Nice job.

crazyelece 06-07-2008 03:01 AM

I agree the pics look good. If someone can't understand them, they probably won't have what it takes to put one together from scratch. No offense to anyone out there.

Dillinger 06-07-2008 03:11 AM

Great. Thanks for the feedback guys. Obviously anyone undertaking this operation should have the ability to turn a screwdriver and use a wrench, but I don't want to "overtalk" the operation and have someone put themselves at risk. Hopefully this will be a good How To Thread and help those members of the forum that have the desire to assemble their own AR.

Many Thanks for the feedback!

JD

bkt 06-07-2008 11:50 AM

Looks good to me, too. Pics are clear and labels make sense.

Dillinger 06-07-2008 11:09 PM

BUMP!

42 Views and only 4 comments. You guys really aren't helping the forum by not offering an opinion. This thread will be for the masses here, so just because you have experience with the weapon in question doesn't mean you can't offer up some help.

Do these pictures work for you? Can you follow them to correctly assemble the parts in question?

Thanks,

JD

Mr. Clean 06-07-2008 11:53 PM

I agree with the above posters: For those new to the AR platform, pictures are priceless. Thank you for setting aside some of your time to great a tool to help your fellow enthusiasts get the job done right.

A few small thoughts I had, looking at the pics:
1) Trigger & Disconnector are included as one unit (I have the same lightened spring on my trigger too, love it!) but might confuse someone if they aren't together in their parts kit.
2) Receiver is called a 'Rec'r' in one pic and a lower in the other. Might want to pic one term for consistency and, if Rec'r be sure to explain the abbreviation.
3) Grip screw, bolt latch, magazine catch, buffer tube, & related parts not explicitly shown as separate and labeled but this may come earlier/later in your pictures, so sorry if you've already covered it.
4) Placement of the rear takedown pin on the receiver in the 2nd shot makes it kind of hard to make out.

That's all I got at a glance, but it's a hell of a good idea. The hardest part for you I'm sure is taking your vast experience and knowledge and having to set it aside and try to get back into a "beginner's mindset" to figure out what a newbie would need to know. It all depends on your target reader I guess. I can see you doing a series, from basic build to accurizing, with your solid knowledge base.

Thanks again for giving back to the community and great work!

hillbilly68 06-08-2008 12:55 AM

The basic question, can you understand the part names and can you understand where they go in these two pictures?


Clear to me, I think the methodology is good to go.

And the pics are quite clear, with target audience haveing some idea of what an AR is and some idea of what goes where for the most part I think you are on the mark.


Thanks for the effort, has to be time consuming. It is funny how describing how to do something becomes so complicated (remember the old "how to make a peanut butter sandwich" or how to do "x" writing exercises from school?)
Looks great on both accounts though.
regards

Dillinger 06-08-2008 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Clean (Post 27099)
I agree with the above posters: For those new to the AR platform, pictures are priceless. Thank you for setting aside some of your time to great a tool to help your fellow enthusiasts get the job done right.

A few small thoughts I had, looking at the pics:
1) Trigger & Disconnector are included as one unit (I have the same lightened spring on my trigger too, love it!) but might confuse someone if they aren't together in their parts kit.
2) Receiver is called a 'Rec'r' in one pic and a lower in the other. Might want to pic one term for consistency and, if Rec'r be sure to explain the abbreviation.
3) Grip screw, bolt latch, magazine catch, buffer tube, & related parts not explicitly shown as separate and labeled but this may come earlier/later in your pictures, so sorry if you've already covered it.
4) Placement of the rear takedown pin on the receiver in the 2nd shot makes it kind of hard to make out.

That's all I got at a glance, but it's a hell of a good idea. The hardest part for you I'm sure is taking your vast experience and knowledge and having to set it aside and try to get back into a "beginner's mindset" to figure out what a newbie would need to know. It all depends on your target reader I guess. I can see you doing a series, from basic build to accurizing, with your solid knowledge base.

Thanks again for giving back to the community and great work!

Thank you My Friend - For those forum members who know me, I would like to introduce a very good friend of mine, Mr. Clean, a very knowledgable guy when it comes to modern firearms and reloading. The man is a walking encyclopedia of knowledge and has one hell of a nice collection of firearms that I am most jealous of. :cool: I would easily consider him one of the most knowledgable people I have met on the subject of modern firearms and their applications.

As for your points Sir: These were but two of over 100 pictures that I have taken in the installation process, but the real work is in the write up, that currently sits at over ( 4 ) pages of MS Word, and isn't close to being done yet. I will include the pictures, along with the written directions, and there will be terminology from the Heritage of Colt ( the true background of the firearm ) and a more modern terminology for ease of shopping. Several pieces, for example, will be referenced in both old Colt terms ( Receiver Extension Lock Nut ) and the more modern term used in gunshops around the country ( Buffer Tube Lock Nut). The intent is to provide as much information as possible, and have the pictures tell a story even a slightly blind man could follow. I hope. :rolleyes:

As explained in the write up, I am showing a two stage drop in trigger, because I don't have a G.I. Issue to show the the separate disconnector and spring. I have referenced a really good book for any specfics not covered in the write up, so hopefully it will be enough for the average layman to be able to assemble.

There is no question that I am setting myself up for criticism with not labeling something SPECIFICALLY as another person would have done it. But, there was another thread started on this subject that died on the vine & no one else WAS doing it.

I did put up a post requesting anything specific that was needed, or someone wanted covered, by the forum that received ZERO reponses, so I am going about what I consider to be more than informative for the average person.

My interest in these first of many pictures is that they are clear by themselves. Could you take the knowledge shown and put Tab A into Slot B? If you can, than we are on the right track and, hopefully, the write up, along with the complete series, will not be met with much criticism and will help several people who are interested in the process.

*shrug* Only time will tell I guess.

Thanks for the feed back guys...

JD

Mr. Clean 06-09-2008 12:20 AM

I'm new around here, so guys please don't believe a word Dillinger said about me : P I consider myself a professional student and have great deal to learn. I'm by no way an 'expert' and somewhat fear that label.

Dillinger, it's absolutely great work, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I just know you are the type who always aims for perfection so I thought I'd mention any little thing I noticed. The target audience will determine what level of detail you use and I'm sure you've got that all planned out. The average end-user doesn't need to know anything fancy to get the job done... though another write up from you about how to build a match-worthy AR wouldn't be unwelcome either ; P

Thanks again for the hard work, can't wait to see this come together!


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