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Old 04-13-2011, 11:29 PM   #11
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Well if you want a dedicated .22 M4 clone I bought one of the Colt/Walther/Umarex M4 .22lrs and it's very much like an M4, even weighs about 6 pounds and does come with a removable carry handle. The bad thing is the selector lever, forward assist and external BHO don't function exactly like a real M4. The S&W version doesn't look as much like the M4 but the selector and BHO work the same. It is much lighter.

Anyway, I've had excellent luck with the Colt and it was $459. I've seen it for $399 since. The S&W can be found for less.
Ive seen the colts as well. can you elaborate on the differences in operation? i figured the forward assist and slide stop wont be the same, but what is diffrent with the selector?
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Fire and safe are 180 degrees apart instead of the normal 90. Not a big deal but if you're using for training it could be annoying. If the selector is pointing straight up the rifle won't fire, it's still on safe until you spin all the way around to where burst/auto is on an M16.

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I recently purchased a S&W MP15-22, the gun is made out of poly and has steel in all the important places. Its a great gun, very accurate. The charging handle is real and the safety and mag release are the same as my AR. This is a great gun for the money. Oh yea break down is the same also, same two pins and the BCG comes out the same. The BCG design is different buts that expected.

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Ok, good info on both the S&W and Colt. Here is where i get picky.

Cosmeticly, the Colt .22lr M4 is the closest rifle to mine with only 3 diffrences:
1. the carry handle is removable, which is ok. not picky there.
2. the stock is standard m4 6 pos colapsable. ok as well, close enough, wont even replace.
3. the magazine seems to be a little long for the 30 rounders, close to the 40 rd 5.56 mags. this will be annoying, but still fine.

The S&W is a little cheaper around here, not by much, but i would have to do the most modifications to make it a clone.
1. install carry handle
2. install standard handgaurd (i dont like full length quad rails, since i dount use but 2 max)
3. Add a regular a2 front sight post.
i dont even know if # 2 & 3 can be done on a M&P. anyone have info on this?
a big plus is the cost of mags. $18.99 compared to the colt's $29.99 and they are standard ar15 30 round size, even though they hold 25.

So far, im leaning to the Colt.
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M4LE22 Rifle with Magpul Rear Sight, www.cmmginc.comCMMG Inc. AR15 Rifles, Parts and Accessories. .22 LR Dedicated AR-15 Rifles, Dedicated AR 15 9mm Rifles and Uppers, Tactical Bacon

Add the carry handle and you're there. Mags are the same size as 30 rd. 5.56 mags, all controls are the same.
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[url=http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/M4LE22-Rifle-with-Magpul-Rear-Sight-1639]M4LE22 Rifle with Magpul Rear Sight, www.cmmginc.comCMMG Inc. AR15 Rifles, Parts and Accessories. .22 LR Dedicated AR-15 Rifles, Dedicated AR 15 9mm Rifles and Uppers, Tactical Bacon


Add the carry handle and you're there. Mags are the same size as 30 rd. 5.56 mags, all controls are the same.
heck yea, idea on cost of the weapon?
also mags? (woops, found it all in the sight about the mags) :P
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Yeah that 30 rd Colt mag is long. They do have a 20rd version that's about the right length, but it's no cheaper than the 30.

Looks like the CMMG is $650. Would be nice if they sold the upper separate so you could drop it on your existing lower.


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Ah they do, for $365...
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/M4-LE-.22-LR-Evolution-Upper-w-F-Marked-FSB-1513

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I bought just the upper for $325 and put it on a spare lower I had. And the Black Dog 50rd. drum is fun on a bun.

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I have the CMMG dedicated as well. Its a decent .22lr

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hmmm.... ok, now deciding on the colt, which is still very nice, or the CMMG. the real diffrence for me would be, besides cost, is the controls and mags.
the colt's controls are very close, but have a few diffrences.
the cmmg's controls are spot on.
the colt mags are 29.99, 30 rds and longer
the cmmg mags are 19.99, 25 rds and same size.
the colt costs around $399, local
MSRP on the cmmg is $650. cmmg says they have discounts for FFL holders, but not listed on the websites. wonder if this is a good discount or not. have to contact them on that. (Heck, i only paid $663.50 for my 5.56mm, so this would be a HUGE jump in price there is no discount.)

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