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mausersurgeon 04-13-2011 05:32 PM

Making a clone of my ar15
 
Hello, I'm looking for a cheap, reliable .22lr ar15 to make an EXACT clone of my current 5.56mm AR15. Now, all the accessories are commonplace, so I'm not worried about that, but the AR15 .22lr models I've seen are all pure flattops, and I have a M4A1 styled DPMS ( DPMS: AR-15 Rifles, Parts and Accessories. )

Does anyone know where to find a .22 verison of this rifle?

dog2000tj 04-13-2011 05:53 PM

Here you go - CMMG Rimfire Conversion Kit AR-15 with Three 26-Round Magazines 22 Long Rifle Matte - MidwayUSA

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mausersurgeon 04-13-2011 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dog2000tj (Post 485573)

Thanks, but I've looked into these and what I'm looking for, I wanna get a Completely separate dedicated .22lr Ar15, such as this ( DPMS Panther AP-4 .22LR Training Rifle ) i can deal with the removable top handle, which i do not like and mine does not have, but i cannot seem to find one of these .22lr DPMS rifles anywhere.

To answer any questions why a separate .22 rifle, 3 reasons:
1. because I'll be training pretty hard and dont wanna wear out my 5.56mm before it needs to be
2. the conversion kits are generally more prone to jamming and less accurate than the dedicated rifles.
3. both can be used at the same time.

WoodysKJ 04-13-2011 06:14 PM

You can build it.

Start with one of these:22lr A2 Carbine Barrel

Then this:A3 Upper

Then this:22lr bolt and mag

All on a standard lower

Folks at Model 1 ARE GREAT to work with!!!

JonM 04-13-2011 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mausersurgeon (Post 485581)
Thanks, but I've looked into these and what I'm looking for, I wanna get a Completely separate dedicated .22lr Ar15, such as this ( DPMS Panther AP-4 .22LR Training Rifle ) i can deal with the removable top handle, which i do not like and mine does not have, but i cannot seem to find one of these .22lr DPMS rifles anywhere.

To answer any questions why a separate .22 rifle, 3 reasons:
1. because I'll be training pretty hard and dont wanna wear out my 5.56mm before it needs to be
2. the conversion kits are generally more prone to jamming and less accurate than the dedicated rifles.
3. both can be used at the same time.


my opinion.

as for your points:

1. you wont wear out a AR15 5.56 barrel shooting 22lr through it the bullet is very soft and low pressure so there is pretty much 0 wear.

2. the cmmg kit is the most reliable 22lr ive ever come across if the box is marked 22LR it will cycle just fine with very good accuracy out to its max effective range of 100yds. compairing the CMMG conversion i have to the most reliable complete 22LR on the market, ruger 10/22, i would give the nod to the cmmg 22LR conversion. the ciener and atchisson models look similar but they do not function nearly as good as the CMMG.

3. save yourself a ton of bucks and just make a dedicated upper. if you feel the need for a total second rifle you can buy the lower later.

mausersurgeon 04-13-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM (Post 485624)
my opinion.

as for your points:

1. you wont wear out a AR15 5.56 barrel shooting 22lr through it the bullet is very soft and low pressure so there is pretty much 0 wear.

2. the cmmg kit is the most reliable 22lr ive ever come across if the box is marked 22LR it will cycle just fine with very good accuracy out to its max effective range of 100yds. compairing the CMMG conversion i have to the most reliable complete 22LR on the market, ruger 10/22, i would give the nod to the cmmg 22LR conversion. the ciener and atchisson models look similar but they do not function nearly as good as the CMMG.

3. save yourself a ton of bucks and just make a dedicated upper. if you feel the need for a total second rifle you can buy the lower later.

I wasn't refering to wearing out the barrel, just the wear and tear of hard training. I've already gone through two recoil spring tubes and one adjustable stock, and each time the weapon was down for at least 2 weeks.

I agree that the Cmmg are awesome compared to others on the market. I have one, but.....

I'm looking just to get a good Clone of the rifle i have in 5.56mm, not convert the one i have, cuz i can do that already. The idea of building my own is not a bad one, just hoping there is one already with the same layout, since it is a fairly basic layout without my accessories.

mjkeat 04-13-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mausersurgeon (Post 485653)
I wasn't refering to wearing out the barrel, just the wear and tear of hard training. I've already gone through two recoil spring tubes and one adjustable stock, and each time the weapon was down for at least 2 weeks.

I agree that the Cmmg are awesome compared to others on the market. I have one, but.....

I'm looking just to get a good Clone of the rifle i have in 5.56mm, not convert the one i have, cuz i can do that already. The idea of building my own is not a bad one, just hoping there is one already with the same layout, since it is a fairly basic layout without my accessories.

Who was the manufacture of these worn out parts? How many rounds did you go through to wear them out? And where are you ordering your parts that its taking two weeks to get them running again?

mausersurgeon 04-13-2011 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mjkeat (Post 485665)
Who was the manufacture of these worn out parts? How many rounds did you go through to wear them out? And where are you ordering your parts that its taking two weeks to get them running again?

not just shooting.
A stock and spring tube was ruined when a vehicle door was slammed on it during a dismounting exercise. poof, instant m4 club. did the rest of the drill with my .45. it was a DPMS panther stock collapsible stock, but it wasn't a design flaw, just a hard hit by a car door. crap happens, ordered another from DPMS. shipping time and then free time to install was a little under 2 weeks.

another spring tube was ruined when a moron friend of mine decided to toss it over a pile of cinder blocks. I decided too see how far i could throw HIM. had to wait for him to order another stock.

as for my ar15, ive fired thousands of rounds of 5.56, .223, and .22lr with little to no wear of the internal parts, but i was looking for a good clone for training because, well..... crap happens. and it would be better for crap to happen to a cheap(er) rifle than my AR15, and then if it did, i could still use my ar while the other is being repaired.

mausersurgeon 04-13-2011 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodysKJ (Post 485592)
You can build it.

Start with one of these:22lr A2 Carbine Barrel

Then this:A3 Upper

Then this:22lr bolt and mag

All on a standard lower

Folks at Model 1 ARE GREAT to work with!!!

looking at this here, i could do well making a .22 upper and i have a dealer here that is selling lowers CHEAP. $120 plus $75 for a parts kit and collapsible stock from dpms, just like mine.
still looking at finding a complete rifle, to see if would be cheaper, while i weigh my options.

Quentin 04-13-2011 09:40 PM

Well if you want a dedicated .22 M4 clone I bought one of the Colt/Walther/Umarex M4 .22lrs and it's very much like an M4, even weighs about 6 pounds and does come with a removable carry handle. The bad thing is the selector lever, forward assist and external BHO don't function exactly like a real M4. The S&W version doesn't look as much like the M4 but the selector and BHO work the same. It is much lighter.

Anyway, I've had excellent luck with the Colt and it was $459. I've seen it for $399 since. The S&W can be found for less.


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