M4 vs M16?
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion > AR-15 Discussion > M4 vs M16?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-18-2011, 11:41 PM   #1
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
sputnik1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The Bluegrass state
Posts: 2,876
Liked 710 Times on 463 Posts
Likes Given: 1949

Default M4 vs M16?

I plan to purchase my first AR soon and can't decide between the fixed stock, 20 incher or the M4 style, I definitely want a flat-top but I have read that the 5.56 is less than adequate when fired from the short barrel. Any thoughts? Honestly I prefer the feel of the M16 A4 but im thinking the added lenth might not be necessary.

__________________
Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid. - John Wayne

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
sputnik1988 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today - It's Free!

Are you a firearms enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Firearms Talk is owned and operated by fellow firearms enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information.

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today! - Click Here


Old 08-19-2011, 12:11 AM   #2
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JonM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester WI,Rochester WI
Posts: 17,765
Liked 5812 Times on 3033 Posts
Likes Given: 398

Default

the military m4 uses a 14.5inch barrel.

you will lose some off the max range but it will perform just fine within the normal combat rifle range of 300meters/yards.

the military is just fine with that velocity loss. so for a range target or home defense rifle it will serve just fine.

my personal preference is for lightweight 20" barrels.

__________________

"Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." — L. Neil Smith

The problem with being stupid is you cannot simply decide to stop doing dumb things...

JonM is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 02:11 AM   #3
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mjkeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Wichita,Kansas
Posts: 4,026
Liked 8 Times on 8 Posts

Default

I prefer a 14.5" lightweight. The performance difference, if you want to call it that, is small.

__________________
mjkeat is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 02:44 AM   #4
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
sputnik1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The Bluegrass state
Posts: 2,876
Liked 710 Times on 463 Posts
Likes Given: 1949

Default

I have almost no experience with the M4 style, are they really that much more ergonomic, I'm a bigger guy and have long arms so i can't stand short stocks

__________________
Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid. - John Wayne

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
sputnik1988 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 04:13 AM   #5
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mjkeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Wichita,Kansas
Posts: 4,026
Liked 8 Times on 8 Posts

Default

I use collapsible stocks exclusively on the second to shortest position. A nice 14.5" barreled upper w/ a 12" rail works great. By no means am I a big man but I do have long arms, mid to upper 70" reach.

__________________
mjkeat is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 04:25 AM   #6
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Salt Lake City,Utah
Posts: 115
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mjkeat View Post
I use collapsible stocks exclusively on the second to shortest position. A nice 14.5" barreled upper w/ a 12" rail works great. By no means am I a big man but I do have long arms, mid to upper 70" reach.
Does it give you more control with the stock short? i've been trying to figure out which position work best for me but so far can't seen to find different.
__________________
luan87us is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 05:10 AM   #7
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mjkeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Wichita,Kansas
Posts: 4,026
Liked 8 Times on 8 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by luan87us View Post
Does it give you more control with the stock short? i've been trying to figure out which position work best for me but so far can't seen to find different.
Im just more comfortable w/ my stock in the #2 possition. Holding as far out as possible on the rail/hand guard is where a lot of the control comes from. Kinda like when we were young trying to use a baseball bat that was to large for us and would "choke up" on it.
__________________
mjkeat is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 06:54 AM   #8
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
 
robocop10mm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Austin,Texas, by God!!
Posts: 10,200
Liked 2872 Times on 1496 Posts
Likes Given: 257

Default

Don't sweat the performance difference. It only matters w/ball ammo. We civilians can use soft points and they work just fine out of the shorter barrel.

__________________

In life, strive to take the high road....It offers a better field of fire.
"Robo is right" Fuzzball

robocop10mm is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 11:02 AM   #9
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
sputnik1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The Bluegrass state
Posts: 2,876
Liked 710 Times on 463 Posts
Likes Given: 1949

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by robocop10mm View Post
Don't sweat the performance difference. It only matters w/ball ammo. We civilians can use soft points and they work just fine out of the shorter barrel.
That's a pretty valid point... Guess its inconsequential. Now to decide which I feel more comfortable with.
__________________
Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid. - John Wayne

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
sputnik1988 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 06:43 PM   #10
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Bighead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Oklahoma City,Oklahoma
Posts: 643
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts

Default

What do you plan on using the rifle for?

__________________

I don't make jokes, I just watch the government and report the facts. -Will Rogers

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. -Winston Churchill

Bighead is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes