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Old 12-11-2011, 02:42 PM   #31
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Doc, don't forget BCM, Colt and Daniel Defense if they weren't mentioned above!

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Doc, don't forget BCM, Colt and Daniel Defense if they weren't mentioned above!
Colt I know, and Daniel Defense sounds familiar. I may have seen an advertisement or two for them.
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Since I am interested.... Such as?
BCM, DD, LMT, Colt, KAC, PSA

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Shows how behind the times I am. I hadn't heard of most of those! I've known there is an increasing number of manufacturers of the AR platform, but I need to get with it!
Don't feel bad. When I was carrying one for my job I was clueless. Something about not having to have one makes them a lot more interesting. I now regret not enjoying them more when I could do so for free.
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Names might help more than initials for those of us not familiar with all the manufacturers out there.

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... Don't feel bad. When I was carrying one for my job I was clueless. Something about not having to have one makes them a lot more interesting. I now regret not enjoying them more when I could do so for free.
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Names might help more than initials for those of us not familiar with all the manufacturers out there.
Google will work on many of the abbreviations plus most have been ID'd earlier in this and other threads.
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Manufacturers/builders I'd be comfortable using for work (as a basis for minimum quality):
BCM Bravo company
DD Daniel Defence
Colt.
POF Patriot Ordinance
LMT Lewis Machine and Tool
Noveske
Rainer Arms
KAC Knights Armaments
LaRue

Sorry may have missed a couple...its early need more coffee.

If your looking, I think the first thing to do is is deciding on intended usage and distances...

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Manufacturers/builders I'd be comfortable using for work (as a basis for minimum quality):
BCM Bravo company
DD Daniel Defence
Colt.
POF Patriot Ordinance
LMT Lewis Machine and Tool
Noveske
Rainer Arms
KAC Knights Armaments
LaRue

Sorry may have missed a couple...its early need more coffee.
I understand the coffee need, desire, addiction...

I posted the question on another thread, so I will post it here as well. How does Stag Arms stack up?

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When I do look, once the financial picture improves, I will likely use it for plinking, for range time, and for moderate distance shooting, no more than 150 meters or so. I suppose I would also like to attempt to keep some of my skills with it, to the extent that can be done in a civilian environment, but don't see it as a home defense weapon. Perhaps an SHTF weapon, but then, that describes ALL of my firearms, to the extent it is feasible to grab and go with them.
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I understand the coffee need, desire, addiction...

I posted the question on another thread, so I will post it here as well. How does Stag Arms stack up?



When I do look, once the financial picture improves, I will likely use it for plinking, for range time, and for moderate distance shooting, no more than 150 meters or so. I suppose I would also like to attempt to keep some of my skills with it, to the extent that can be done in a civilian environment, but don't see it as a home defense weapon. Perhaps an SHTF weapon, but then, that describes ALL of my firearms, to the extent it is feasible to grab and go with them.
Spike's Tactical is another high quality high value rifle. A lot of times they can be had for less than $800, and in my opinion are higher quality than a lot of other, higher prices manufacturers, Stag included.

The reason they're so cheap is because the company has very little overhead. It's a small operation in the next town over from me, and they put out an awesome rifle. Just do a little research, they're highly regarded in the AR community.

IMO, for the price, they can't be beaten. Now if you're willing to spend a little more money, BCM and DD are probably a little better rifle. Then LMT, which is in my opinion one of the best rifles for the money. Much above that and you getting very diminishing returns.

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I posted the question on another thread, so I will post it here as well. How does Stag Arms stack up?



When I do look, once the financial picture improves, I will likely use it for plinking, for range time, and for moderate distance shooting, no more than 150 meters or so. I suppose I would also like to attempt to keep some of my skills with it, to the extent that can be done in a civilian environment, but don't see it as a home defense weapon. Perhaps an SHTF weapon, but then, that describes ALL of my firearms, to the extent it is feasible to grab and go with them.
I agree with Fred, though Stag should stack up all right for what you described above, for the money the average Spikes and probably PSA would be better ARs than the average Stag. I kinda like Stag but can't bring myself to buy one when there are so many better brands like BCM, Colt and Daniel Defense.

I think right now is the most important time for you (while you're thinking about it and have the credit card holstered). Use this time to get to know the AR of today. I had to do that myself a few years back and took six months of reading and letting it sink in before finally doing a build, not a factory rifle.
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I didn't mention Stag, or Spikes, or Palmetto on my list.

But, I have had like 3 cups of coffee now.....

Disclaimer, these are just my personal experiences:

The Stags that I've met, and I've met a few, have been great guns. I personally would not spend that kind of cash when their price points are just south of Daniel Defense and BCM. They do offer a Milspec package that bumps up the price $100 but that's BCM/Daniel Defense price ranges. I don't like that they are all carbine length gas systems, while I don't think carbine is bad, I prefer midlength (personally) My cousins and friends have Stage, and the one thing I can say about them, is that their customer service is great. The issues adressed where nothing major, like the locking detent on Midwest Industries BUIS going bad (which is MI quality issue) but they were quick to answer the phone, and fix the problem. The one Stage the tickles me is the new 3g model. It seems like a great starting point for a competition gun, for a great price.

Spikes makes a good product at a great price range. I've bought an upper from them, and it was great gear. Some of their higher end gear looks promising, like their NiCor BCG and Battle trigger, but I have no experience with them. I tend to be a little picky about my stuff, but I really can say that Spikes stuff is great. I'd buy their stuff again.

PSA is a new kid on the block. They have all the specs that you'd expect, for really cheap prices. They just haven't been around long enough for me to consider them for HD/SD usage. They are a great value, and the products that I have bought from them, lpk, buffer tube assemblies, ammo have been great! Their Customer support seems like they give a damn, (+1), and although they have had a couple growing pains, they seem genuinely interested in becoming a player in the industry. I hope they stick around for a while because their price points are damn sexy. I am planning a build with one of their rifle kits. But that wont be till late spring next year.

hope this helps ya.

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