[MCarter788]

Ha thanks for clearing that up Dillinger... Can you tell me about the Bravo Company Upper that I asked about?

[hoovco]

Originally Posted by Dillinger

What? I can name you a dozen rifles right now that come with accuracy guarantees to shoot sub moa with factory ammo. Where are you buying your guns??

Again. What?

The muzzle energy of a 168 grain BTHP out of a .308 is about 2700 fps

The muzzle enegy of a 77 grain sp is about 3200 fps, with less than half the weight.

Att 200 yards the .77 grain is punching in at about 780-ish ft pounds of energy. The 168 grainer is still over 1,800 foot poounds of energy.

Faster moving, much smaller hole, less energy on target.

In what phrasing do these two equate as "similar"??

... and I can name a dozen 2000 + dollar rifles that don't shoot sub MOA. What's your point?

Similar is used loosely. It behaves in a similar fashion. I'm not saying its going to be as effective. That's simple math dude. Of course it's not going to reach out as far with as much ft/lbs. It's a 5.56 round.

Stop trying to start a pissing contest. You've got nothing to prove here. Either add to the conversation or go away.

[hockeyjr1]

Originally Posted by MCarter788

I have used a bunch of different ammo so far, and surprisingly enough American Eagle by Federal 50 gr Varmint Hollow Points is the best so far and my barrel is a 1:7 twist. Yea the only reason I want a shorter barrel is because I want to use my suppressor so I don't kill my ears when I hunt. And a 16" barrel plus a suppressor is just a pain to maneuver around.

Ok so I have never varmint hunted before but in my head I imagine you sitting prone on a hill top and popping off any varmint that pops his head up within 3-400 yards... If that is what your looking to do then just wear hearing protection when shooting...

On another note...'with a 1-7 twist you should stay away from anything lighter than 55gr bullets. And most mill spec ammo is crappy for high consistent shots..

The other day I had my DD V5 1-7 twist upper/RRA lower with ALG-ACT trigger. Upgraded springs for a crisp 4.5 lb pull.
With green tip 62gr ammo. I couldn't get much better than a 2.5" group at 50 yards. I was shooting a bit faster than you would for hunting or precision shooting but still..

Now when I switch to 30-06.. Shooting federal blue box ammo, I got 1/2" groups at 50 yards... (this proves I'm not that bad of a shot)

Oh and stay away from chromed barrels.. They are tiny bit less accurate than non chromed..

[MCarter788]

Haha well what described is similar to prairie dog hunting. What I do is I go out at night an get in a high rack and run a mouth call for a while. Every so often I look around with a light and look for eyes that might have come up to my call. I dont like to wear hearing protection because I get a lot of coyotes and fox and raccoons that come up and growl at me and in order to know where they are I have to hear them. That's I'd also why I have a Surefire X400 laser light combo on my gun, so I can shine and blast really quick when I get something 15 yrds from me growling. Pretty fun stuff, you should try it sometime.

[hockeyjr1]

Originally Posted by MCarter788

Haha well what described is similar to prairie dog hunting. What I do is I go out at night an get in a high rack and run a mouth call for a while. Every so often I look around with a light and look for eyes that might have come up to my call. I dont like to wear hearing protection because I get a lot of coyotes and fox and raccoons that come up and growl at me and in order to know where they are I have to hear them. That's I'd also why I have a Surefire X400 laser light combo on my gun, so I can shine and blast really quick when I get something 15 yrds from me growling. Pretty fun stuff, you should try it sometime.

Look into electronics ear muffs then.. I'm getting a pair for my bday in 2 weeks so ill let you know how they are.. They amplify sounds up to 85 dbl and let them through but when a louder noise is heard it will dampen it down to a reasonable 23 dbl...

[MCarter788]

How much do earmuffs like that cost? I usually use in ear hearing protection, I actually just got some that were molded to my ear at the last gun show here in Dallas.

[hockeyjr1]

These are the ones I'm getting... 35 bucks

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunting/Hunting-Accessories/Hearing-Protection-Enhancement|/pc/104791680/c/104734980/sc/104381280/Caldwell-E-Maxtrade-Low-Profile-Muffs/708649.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2F_%2FN-1100132%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580&WTz_l=SBC %3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104381280

I'm sure if u want to spend a little more money the others would prob be better quality..

[hockeyjr1]

You can get them in pink too if you want.. Either way you roll they got ya covered hahaha

[MCarter788]

Ha, yea that will be taken into consideration. You know my wife might want some pink ones, hopefully that's what you meant.

[hockeyjr1]

Originally Posted by MCarter788

Ha, yea that will be taken into consideration. You know my wife might want some pink ones, hopefully that's what you meant.

Hey some guys like pink... I don't judge.. I got reg pink ones for my girl too.. She wants the pink camo case next too..