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eric1229 01-28-2013 08:25 AM

Live round stuck above bolt
 
Hey all, I was out shooting my colt m4 today and had a double feed. No I have one if the live rounds jammed above the bolt. Any ideas on how to get it out. It seems to be wedged in there right and no wiggle room. Cannot pull ch back to move the bcg rearward. rearwardThanAnysuggestapappreciated or is this some thing a smith should do

eric1229 01-28-2013 08:26 AM

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SSGN_Doc 01-28-2013 09:37 AM

Drop mag.
Pull on charging handle while slamming the buttstock on a bench like a pogo stick. It may take a few slams but it will eventually drive the bolt and carrier out of the way.

Do make sure the chamber is empty. Engage the safety if you can, as well before beginning the above operation.

03Armory 01-28-2013 09:48 AM

WOW Ive never seen that. Hopefully the primer didnt get struck. Here is what I would do. Point the barrel somewhere safe. Get a strong flat head screw driver thats thin and that is long enough to put the flat end as close to the butt of the brass. Put the flat head between the end of the brass and the bolt. BECAREFUL NOT TO STRIKE THE PRIMER. Try and get the flat head flush with the flat end of the casing. simultaneously pull up on the screw driver which will force the round down into the chamber and pull back on the charging handle. you might bend your charging handle depending on what its made of and how stuck it is but i assume you want this cleared out.

If that dont work you should be able to take the buttstock off. Unscrew the castle nut which might be hard cause sometimes they lock tight them on. make sure the spring holding the retaining pin doesn't go flying off. once the castle nut is off you should be able to unscrew the buffer tube off. everything else should come off. i dont have a rifle in front of me to verify but it all should come off.

let me know if you get the round out and how you got it out cause ill be curious how you did. also just curious how did this happen. what kind of magazine ammo grain. etc. if you get time let me know

i hope you get that out safely good luck. keep me posted if u can.

sdiver35 01-28-2013 09:50 AM

^^^This, and keep the port facing away from you and keep your head clear of the muzzle. You could also use an empty case to try and get leverage on the BCG, but you may end up bending your gas tube.

03Armory 01-28-2013 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSGN_Doc
Drop mag.
Pull on charging handle while slamming the buttstock on a bench like a pogo stick. It may take a few slams but it will eventually drive the bolt and carrier out of the way.

Do make sure the chamber is empty. Engage the safety if you can, as well before beginning the above operation.

I hope he tries your idea before mine. I didnt know how jammed it was I was assuming worse case scenerio

sdiver35 01-28-2013 10:14 AM

03's post got in while typing a response to Doc's post. Please go with SSGN_Doc's method first. It is way easier, but again keep everything in a safe direction (outdoors).

I've seen this happen as the result of a double-feed.

Quentin 01-28-2013 05:27 PM

Mortaring like SSGN_Doc said is good way to try to clear a stuck BCG but collapse the stock before trying it.

eric1229 01-28-2013 06:39 PM

I had replaced the collapsible stock with an a2 type stock and buffer. I will try here shortly when I get home. The bcg and round are wedged nod will not budge but I will try to pogo it out like suggested and if that don't work I will remove the stock, buffer tube ch and bcg. Or the other post it was a magpul pmag (fairly new) and some re manufactorerd ammo from the local indoor shooting range (the only ammo available here). Thanks for the suggestions will try and post results here shortly.

kbd512 01-28-2013 07:45 PM

Please don't abuse your weapon just to clear a type 4.

Mortaring your weapon is fine for combat clearing because it generally works and requires no tools, but I prefer using a tool like a wooden or plastic chopstick that won't damage the carbine, an empty cartridge casing that's been flattened, a plastic butter knife, or an empty magazine. The magazine clear won't work if you have optics mounted, but I see you don't, so take your carry handle off (for the magazine clearing method).

Pull your charging handle back and use a chop stick that won't damage your weapon to pry the cartridge out, if at all possible.

I can't recommend potentially damaging your carbine to clear a malfunction that you can clear with a tool or by karate chopping your charging handle if you have no tools. The karate chop method may damage the gas tube or it may not. It isn't the chop, but the potential impact of the cartridge into the gas tube that can potentially damage the gas tube. That's why the soft wooden or plastic tools are preferred. Take care to not indent the cartridge's primer with your tool of choice.

Fingering your carbine won't work if you have small fingers. If you have long fingers, you can clear it that way.

You don't need to remove the stock, buffer, or any other part of your rifle.

Bottom line, don't damage your weapon if you don't have to and if you do mortar your weapon, keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

Make sure you check the alignment of your gas tube and gas key when you're done. There should be no nicks or burrs on the key face or tube, the bolt should move freely over the gas tube with no resistance, and function check your weapon after clearing.

Apart from that, do you mind telling us what type of ammo and magazine you were using in your weapon and the round count on the moving parts? Any modifications to the weapon's operating parts (bolt, bolt carrier, barrel extension, barrel)?


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