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Old 06-27-2012, 01:16 AM   #1
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Just curious I have been hearing a lot of different things and seems there is some gray areas. I understand it that you have to be 21 to buy a stripped lower, however I was talking with local guns store guy about it and he said there was some "gray areas" in that I could order a stripped lower from say spikes or yhm and ship it to him and he could put a buffer tube and stock on it and he could let me pick it up. He also said that since he sales stripped lowers from time to time i could bring my stock and buffer and put it on and buy it. The reason I ask is I am a short distance from being 21 and would like to get one sooner than later. I am in no way trying to do something illegal just trying to understand my options and if this is actually true.

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If it has a serial number it has to be shipped to a FFL -
Don't know about age in all states but buying a modern receiver is the same as buying a complete gun-

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Disclaimer- am NOT a lawyer- I am actually skilled labor- but-

The stripped lower is neither a rifle nor a shotgun. Fed law (18 US Code section 922) says you can buy a rifle or shotgun at age 18. The stripped lower is neither fish nor fowl- it is classed as "other" (Rifles and shotguns are defined as being fired from the shoulder). It COULD be built into pistol or rifle. Once a stock goes on it, it becomes a rifle. It cannot be changed to pistol without doing paperwork with the atf.

Your LGS is trying to look out for you, and keep you legal (and himself out of hot water)

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The stripped lower is neither a rifle nor a shotgun. Fed law (18 US Code section 922) says you can buy a rifle or shotgun at age 18. The stripped lower is neither fish nor fowl- it is classed as "other" (Rifles and shotguns are defined as being fired from the shoulder). It COULD be built into pistol or rifle. Once a stock goes on it, it becomes a rifle. It cannot be changed to pistol without doing paperwork with the atf.

Your LGS is trying to look out for you, and keep you legal (and himself out of hot water)
I understand but is it legal for me to order a stripped lower and him put my stock on there and then give me the lower or for me to buy a stripped lower from him after he puts my own stock on it.
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Powell, i am not being sarcastic, but if you're a short ways from 21, just wait until then, and it wiil be irrelevent. C3 is correct. a stripped lower or reciever is termed "other". when i purchased my Remington M700 action from Brownells and had it it shipped to my FFL, it was termed, "other". with and AR lower, it can be built either way, and i can see where there could be some confusion. as a rifle and over the age of 18, you're legal, but as a pistol and under 21, you're not. but a stripped lower is a stripped lower. so i am also confused!

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Powell, i am not being sarcastic, but if you're a short ways from 21, just wait until then, and it wiil be irrelevent. C3 is correct. a stripped lower or reciever is termed "other". when i purchased my Remington M700 action from Brownells and had it it shipped to my FFL, it was termed, "other". with and AR lower, it can be built either way, and i can see where there could be some confusion. as a rifle and over the age of 18, you're legal, but as a pistol and under 21, you're not. but a stripped lower is a stripped lower. so i am also confused!
Haha I understand I have been thinking that may be best then I don't have to worry about a darn thing cause it's so confusing
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Yes- just not legal to transfer it to you AS A STRIPPED LOWER. It will need to be shipped TO a FFL. If the FFL adds the stock, and THEN records the transfer as Rifle, you would be legal.

Once again- your local gun shop is giving you righteous info.
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Yes- just not legal to transfer it to you AS A STRIPPED LOWER. It will need to be shipped TO a FFL. If the FFL adds the stock, and THEN records the transfer as Rifle, you would be legal.
Powell, C3 seems to have it nailed down pretty good.
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Yes- just not legal to transfer it to you AS A STRIPPED LOWER. It will need to be shipped TO a FFL. If the FFL adds the stock, and THEN records the transfer as Rifle, you would be legal.

Once again- your local gun shop is giving you righteous info.
Sounds great thank you. Just makes me comfortable to hear more than one person tell me that its legal as I would like to stay away from any trouble! Once again thanks for clarifying.
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I understand but is it legal for me to order a stripped lower and him put my stock on there and then give me the lower or for me to buy a stripped lower from him after he puts my own stock on it.
I think he may need to have a manufacturing ffl to do that. I may be wrong though since I know very little about ffls.
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