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Old 03-02-2009, 08:16 PM   #11
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Now how much trouble am I in?
Well bro, you got it closed somehow, so unless you are Manilla Gorilla, I don't think you did any SERIOUS harm, but there are a couple of areas of concern. The Gas Receiver tube on the top of the bolt carrier is definitely susceptible to damage in your scenario.

The Bolt carrier and the bolt head SHOULD be steel, so you should be okay there. The frames of the upper and lower are Aluminum, so if anything was going to "give" I would say it would be the frame first. If it's an area around the lower, rear end of the recevier, I don't think you will have much trouble. It will be ugly, but you will always remember it and never do it again.

At this point, without being able to put my hands on the weapon, I vote for planning on pulling that A2 butt stock, undoing the buffer tube completely from the weapon and seeing if you press the bolt head in a bit to get enough clearance to open frames. If you can't - try pulling it towards you enough to be able to push the pin out that holds the both head to the Carrier group. If you can do that, you will have enough room to open the receiver.

If you CAN'T do that, you need to take it to an experienced gunsmith bro. I'm in Washington State - I don't know if that helps or hurts, but you can send to us and we can fix it for you.... *shrug*

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Old 03-02-2009, 08:23 PM   #12
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Yes, the one silver lining of this mess is it will NEVER happen again. You can't imagine how bad I feel, it is probably not as bad as I think....at least I hope.

Yes, you are correct in that statement, if I can remove the Cam (?) Pin and get the bolt out of the carrier I would be able to open it up again.

BTW, I'm in Arkansas.


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Well Arkansas, Welcome to the Forum.

Sorry you had to find us this way.

I am betting you can remove the stock and get that bolt head off, you don't need much real estate to do it.

If not, I am SURE there are several good gunshops in your area. You just have to swallow that Pride Pill and walk in, take your lumps and get it fixed.

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You just have to swallow that Pride Pill and walk in, take your lumps and get it fixed.

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Yeah.

Thats what I hate most. If I could do that easily I wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. I always think I can do everything myself.

I should probably go to the gunsmith anyways, just to make sure I didn't break anything in this process and have the weapon blow up on me.
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Dont know, but you sure laid one on me I have never seen before. Wow. I feel like the doc in the ER that just saw the guy come in with a Nalgene bottle up his hoo-ha. Wow. I cant even get my mind around this one.

Ok since the bolt isnt seated in the chamber 'cause its in backwards you have the bolt inside the buffer assembly (the rear of the carrier is flush with the upper when its in correctly). How bound up is the upper and lower with both takedown pins completely out? I am so puzzled by this one. Just dont get frustrated, you are doing the right thing by asking for help. There is more than one guy on here that has ruined a part of a firearm through jackassery, myself included. So take it in stride, we'll get 'er figured out.
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hey whatever you do, don't pull the trigger. hopefully the hammer is cocked at this point. Thinking through it, JD is on it (as usual). Get that stock off there. Keep your patience!!!
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There is more than one guy on here that has ruined a part of a firearm through jackassery, myself included. So take it in stride, we'll get 'er figured out.
Hell, I put the dreaded Crescent Shaped Scar on my first ever 1911 - the one I am using for my .460 Build, which is the reason it's being sent off to Robar for refinishing.

You know what though Hillbilly, you just gave me an idea!

dhgunit - Can you put out both the Take Down and Pivot Pins and try to lift the barrel end of the receiver out at a small angle ahead of the rear Take Down Pin end? If so, you might be able to separate the weapon from the front, giving you enough room to get the back end out and not damage anything??

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Oh I totally forgot to ask you that. Remember..... Noob here.

I can take out the take down pin, but can I release the pivot pin with seperating the upper and lower receivers? I tried, but it wouldn't budge, I thought it wasn't supposed to unless you could seperate the two?

And Hillbilly, hopefully I haven't ruined anything through "jackassery" yet but this is definately a case of jackassery.

I am young and willing to learn, one day I will be very good at this stuff....I promise. I'm just not there yet. Everyone starts somewhere, right?
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I don't know about your particular model, but on all the AR's I have played with, it is possible remove both the take down and pivot pins, having them no longer locking the receiver in place, but not removing them from the gun, regardless of the condition.

You might have to compress the front of the receiver a bit to get it to budge, unless it swelled when the BCG went in backward - but you SHOULD be able to remove them both and take the weapon apart.

If you have a brass punch, that would be the easiest and safest way to gently apply force to the Pivot Pin from the backside....

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Bushmaster PCWA2S-16

Should I use a .223 round and a hammer? LOL.


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