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Old 04-28-2014, 01:40 AM   #1
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I don't know what this is. Is it an AR15 upper? It says it is not an NFA item and it comes with a semi-auto bolt but it also says that it is select fire. If you threw a full auto bolt carrier in it would it become a NFA class 3?

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Old 04-28-2014, 01:54 AM   #2
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It's a belt fed upper. The lower receiver is what decides if it is FA or SA.

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I don't know what this is. Is it an AR15 upper? It says it is not an NFA item and it comes with a semi-auto bolt but it also says that it is select fire. If you threw a full auto bolt carrier in it would it become a NFA class 3?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/barreled-upper-assemblies/ares-defense-5-56mm-belt-fed-upper-16-25-nickel-boron-feed-mcr-035.html
No, it means it will work with a full auto lower or semi auto lower and the barrel is 16+ inches but will not all by itself turn your semi auto lower intoa nfa item.
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Nothing on an upper can make your AR fire full auto. A few companies are making uppers with features that are specifically designed to prevent you from firing full auto, such as not making the cut for the auto sear on the receiver, taking some material off the carrier to prevent it from tripping the sear, etc., but if you have a M16 upper on an AR15 lower, you have an AR15. I am a class 7 FFL, and I have to know these things to keep out of trouble with the ATF. This appears to me to be a monolithic upper, but I may be wrong. As far as ARES products go, I used their drop in piston kit several years back, and had no problems with it, however, their other products have always been a bit too pricey for me. If you had a registered F/A lower, and you wanted to make it belt fed, this product may be an option for you. Otherwise, I wouldn't advise it, as it would be a waste of money. Just my .02

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Nothing on an upper can make your AR fire full auto. A few companies are making uppers with features that are specifically designed to prevent you from firing full auto, such as not making the cut for the auto sear on the receiver, taking some material off the carrier to prevent it from tripping the sear, etc., but if you have a M16 upper on an AR15 lower, you have an AR15. I am a class 7 FFL, and I have to know these things to keep out of trouble with the ATF. This appears to me to be a monolithic upper, but I may be wrong. As far as ARES products go, I used their drop in piston kit several years back, and had no problems with it, however, their other products have always been a bit too pricey for me. If you had a registered F/A lower, and you wanted to make it belt fed, this product may be an option for you. Otherwise, I wouldn't advise it, as it would be a waste of money. Just my .02
yeah, I have a M-4 colt, and you can't even take it apart unless you use a drill and the lower is also designed as a molded unit to prevent a auto sear. Wish I hadn't bought this one.
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yeah, I have a M-4 colt, and you can't even take it apart unless you use a drill and the lower is also designed as a molded unit to prevent a auto sear. Wish I hadn't bought this one.
At least Colts carry their resale value pretty well. If it bugs you enough, I am sure you can trade it for something you can do what you want with. There are enough high quality AR's out there that just aren't rated as high as Colt that you can play with.
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that looks like a lotta fun!

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that looks like a lotta fun!

Yeah except the part where you have to link all your ammo in a belt that part sucks


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Yeah except the part where you have to link all your ammo in a belt that part sucks


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Another thing is a loose belt causes problems the ammo can twist in the links causing a jam and if you wanna have any fun at all the belt would be pretty long so unless you have a box for it and a way to mount the box your ammo is gonna be swinging in the wind. Now if you do get a box for it I would recommend fabricating a way to mount it to the weapon similar to the way a 249 box is which would directly impede the mag well. It is a great idea for a fun time but it is poorly executed if I want a belt fed semi auto I would just pony up for one of these http://www.machinegunarmory.com/firearms.html or http://www.armslist.com/posts/2878464/texas-rifles-for-sale--mg42-
or for real fun one of these http://tnwfirearms.com/complete-guns/semi-auto-m3hb.html

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