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Default Hey All You AR Types...

I need advice on parts for a build. My wife has a coyote problem where she's living in Oklahoma. So she wants a rifle to deal with said problem.

I'm new to the AR game. So I really don't know which manufacturers are quality, which are garbage, etc.

Here are my requirements:
- 2.23 / 5.56
- as light-weight as possible
- An M4 style collapsible stock
- I would like to start with a complete lower
- Ambi charging handle and if possible magazine release
- Short varmint barrel
- Light weight!
- Low profile quad rails
- Did I mention light weight?
- Ergonomic pistol grip

Also are there any lights I can mount to it which will put a beam out to 200 yards or so, or is this too tall of an order?

This is a pretty high priority. Would like this finished within a month or so.

I think that's everything... Thanks for the help.

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Price range??

Normally I would suggest rra for varminting but lightweight isn't in rra's vocabulary.

Psa complete lower

Bcm upper I would suggest a keymod instead of quad rail. Quads are uncomfortable and weigh a lot.keymod is quickly becoming industry standard for adding rails devices only where needed

I'm not a fan of ambi handles they tend to be delicate. My opinion bcm gunfighter handles are top notch in medium.

I would suggest letting her pick a grip its very individual thing. Ergo grips are difficult to use if your hands aren't exact fit. Most people don't fit ergo grips well.

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A threat 200 yards away?
Any AR would put a hole in a target at that distance.


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Any AR would put a hole in a target at that distance.


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Price range??

Normally I would suggest rra for varminting but lightweight isn't in rra's vocabulary.

Psa complete lower

Bcm upper I would suggest a keymod instead of quad rail. Quads are uncomfortable and weigh a lot.keymod is quickly becoming industry standard for adding rails devices only where needed

I'm not a fan of ambi handles they tend to be delicate. My opinion bcm gunfighter handles are top notch in medium.

I would suggest letting her pick a grip its very individual thing. Ergo grips are difficult to use if your hands aren't exact fit. Most people don't fit ergo grips well.
Thanks Jon. I didn't mention a price range because its a rather specialized build I believe, and as such I expect it to cost a little more. For intents and purposes, let's call it a $1000 budget.

I agree with you 100% regarding the quad rails. Trouble is, she likes the appearance of the quads. I believe I might be able to talk her out if them though, in the interest of weight.

I'll check out your recommendations.

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Hmm, I can have some fun with this one.

Now first off, you better check OKs laws regarding that light. IIRC, the have spotlighting laws, but I don't recall if they apply to exterminating varmints/nuisance animals.

Now then for the build.

light weight and varmint barrel don't exactly go hand and hand. You can get semi light though. How about a 16" barrel? You loose some velocity, but it shouldn't matter much. I'd usually recommend BCM for an upper, but I don't recall them making a varmint barreled upper. I'm not sure if you'd be up to building the upper receiver/barrel too, so how about RRA? I've heard they make good accurate rifles.

They've got two uppers that I think you may like. Both have a Wylde chamber, which I honestly don't know much about. They say it let you shoot both 5.56 and .223 equally accurately, but I've never noticed a difference between the two on my build (5.56 chamber).

http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id= 270

http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id= 271

Both come with a bolt carrier group and a charging handle, so you wouldn't have to worry about that. I DO recommend a BCM gunfighter charging handle though. Those things are just freaking awesome. Their ambi version is a bit pricy though.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCMGUNFIGHTER-Charging-Handle-GFH-Mod-44-AMBI-p/bcm-gfh-mod-a44-556ambi.htm

For the stock, you can't go wrong with a Magpul CTR

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG310/180

For the complete lower, is there a reason you want to go with a complete one? You have a lot more options if you build your own. Trust me, they are not hard to put together at all.

If you want to go complete, one of these would work just fine.

https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3412

https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3413

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM

If cost is an issue, this would be a really good option too. It also has a pretty decent stock already on it.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/receivers/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-magpul-acs-l-edition-black-no-magazine.html

For the grip, Magpul MOE+ All the way!

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319198047/magpul-moe-plus-pistol-grip-ar-15-rubber

I don't know much about quad rails or lights, so I won't comment on them.

BTW, feel free to kill as many of the bastards as you like. We've lost two dogs to coyotes, and had to have a third put down because they gave him rabies (We didn't know this until he killed a neighbor's dog)

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Hmm, I can have some fun with this one.

Now first off, you better check OKs laws regarding that light. IIRC, the have spotlighting laws, but I don't recall if they apply to exterminating varmints/nuisance animals.

Now then for the build.

light weight and varmint barrel don't exactly go hand and hand. You can get semi light though. How about a 16" barrel? You loose some velocity, but it shouldn't matter much. I'd usually recommend BCM for an upper, but I don't recall them making a varmint barreled upper. I'm not sure if you'd be up to building the upper receiver/barrel too, so how about RRA? I've heard they make good accurate rifles.

They've got two uppers that I think you may like. Both have a Wylde chamber, which I honestly don't know much about. They say it let you shoot both 5.56 and .223 equally accurately, but I've never noticed a difference between the two on my build (5.56 chamber).

http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id= 270

http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id= 271

Both come with a bolt carrier group and a charging handle, so you wouldn't have to worry about that. I DO recommend a BCM gunfighter charging handle though. Those things are just freaking awesome. Their ambi version is a bit pricy though.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCMGUNFIGHTER-Charging-Handle-GFH-Mod-44-AMBI-p/bcm-gfh-mod-a44-556ambi.htm

For the stock, you can't go wrong with a Magpul CTR

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG310/180

For the complete lower, is there a reason you want to go with a complete one? You have a lot more options if you build your own. Trust me, they are not hard to put together at all.

If you want to go complete, one of these would work just fine.

https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3412

https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3413

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM

If cost is an issue, this would be a really good option too. It also has a pretty decent stock already on it.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/receivers/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-magpul-acs-l-edition-black-no-magazine.html

For the grip, Magpul MOE+ All the way!

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319198047/magpul-moe-plus-pistol-grip-ar-15-rubber

I don't know much about quad rails or lights, so I won't comment on them.

BTW, feel free to kill as many of the bastards as you like. We've lost two dogs to coyotes, and had to have a third put down because they gave him rabies (We didn't know this until he killed a neighbor's dog)
BTW, if my recommendations, your looking at a minimum of about $1040 plus shipping. You might find some of this stuff cheaper at other websites though.
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Price range??

Normally I would suggest rra for varminting but lightweight isn't in rra's vocabulary.

Psa complete lower

Bcm upper I would suggest a keymod instead of quad rail. Quads are uncomfortable and weigh a lot.keymod is quickly becoming industry standard for adding rails devices only where needed

I'm not a fan of ambi handles they tend to be delicate. My opinion bcm gunfighter handles are top notch in medium.

I would suggest letting her pick a grip its very individual thing. Ergo grips are difficult to use if your hands aren't exact fit. Most people don't fit ergo grips well.
It's kinda scary how much we think alike (on ARs anyway).
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T-dub squared (TWW :P ) -

My reason for not wanting to build the lower, well here's a couple:

I have no idea what I'm doing. Don't want to worry about getting incompatible parts or the rifle failing while my wife needs it most.

I have almost no access to tools right now.

The time hack. My wife is worried for the safety of our dogs. Two of my MiL's have been lost in the last couple months. As well as a few chickens of my wife's grand parents.

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I'll look into the spot lighting laws. I believe it isn't a problem. But I'll double check.

200 Yards is hypothetical. I don't know how close my wife will be able to get to them.

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