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Miguel Span-Q 11-01-2012 02:52 PM

Is this as great a deal as i think it is?
Recently window shopping at RRA (Rock River Arms) site and saw several sweet deals on their LAR-15 Elite Operator 2, and Entry Operator 2 rifles. After reading the basics for AR's...I don't know which rifle would be better suited to my needs. The only noticeable differences(and these may be HUGE!) is that the elite op 2 has a mid--length gas system and DOES NOT have the m4 barrel. Any ideas which is MORE important, gas system length...or barrel configuration? Which, if either, would you buy...for $1000.00 shipped with choice of rear-sight assembly, it seems like a great deal. oh yeah, which rear-sight assembly is best...I don't have a EO Tech optic......yet.

ShagNasty1001 11-01-2012 03:20 PM

I had the Entry Op 2 and loved it. The barrel was slightly heavy (it had the HBAR) for my intended purposes but it was dead nuts accurate. I am now in the market for a Mid-length though due to the more rail space and the little amount of lessened recoil

Overkill0084 11-01-2012 03:45 PM

This may or may not help, but here it is anyway, enjoy:
FWIW, I bought mine at the LGS. It came with the removable carry handle/rear sight. I think I would have preferred the flip down as a backup to the optic instead of a replacement for it.
I won't be getting into the gas system vs. barrel length issue. Have you read this?:
If not, I suspect it may answer some of your questions.

Quentin 11-01-2012 05:21 PM

Yes, definitely read the AR Primer before dropping a grand on a rifle when you don't know anything about barrel profiles. And at that price I'd be looking at other brands.

BTW, why does it bother you that a middlength doesn't have the M4 barrel?

AgentTikki 11-02-2012 02:45 AM

I wrote a little ditty just 4 u!

It'll provided you with a lot of answers and some food for thought!

Miguel Span-Q 03-06-2013 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by AgentTikki (Post 998687)
I wrote a little ditty just 4 u!

It'll provided you with a lot of answers and some food for thought!

Of course I read the beginners primer....that's why I asked!

AgentTikki 03-06-2013 06:26 PM

In this day and age, $1000 is a great deal. I would research RRA's customer service tho, iirc there are some unhappy people on this forum. IIRC, I think that people ordered ARs, had to wait months for it to ship, then didn't get what they ordered, complained and were basically told to shine off. Also take care to find out when they will actually ship your AR to you. I believe there is a LONG wait for their stuff.

As for carbine vs middy gas, I prefer middy. Honestly tho, you will be happy either way.

A little food for thought, I've noticed that a middy gas block is right about where I put the palm of my supoprt hand on the handguards for most of my freehand shooting positions, I may be switching back to a carbine 14.5" so that the gas block isn't directly under my support hand as it it gets hot.

My friend has a carbine 14.5 heavy barrel. Granted it does have a h1 buffer, and a Surefire mb556 brake, and it is a fat pig, but its one of the softest shooting carbines I've ever had the pleasure of shooting. It does weigh a good 1.5# more than my 16" lightweight build tho.

In the end, look at the gas system pros and cons, they are about equal. Think to yourself whats more important to you. Make your choice, and then share the gun pron with us!

Tackleberry1 03-06-2013 06:37 PM

M4 Profile is an aesthetics thing. It's actual purpose for the military is that it facilitates the attachment of the M203 40 mm grenade launcher which of course is a "destructive device" and therefore not available to us lowly serfs.

There are legal 37 mm flair launchers that you can put on an AR and the M4 profile would make this easier.

Mid length VS Full Length is also a preference thing but it is important to note that Mid Length gas systems do produce much more fouling in the receiver than the full length systems.

You'd probably need to be an old Grunt like me to notice but I carried the M16 A2 for 6 years of active duty and I was shocked at the increased amount of grime and crud produced by my first Mid Length AR.

All that said, I still prefer DGI to the piston guns, even the Mid Lengths, and I compensate with an aftermarket Rock River Chrome Plated Bolt and BCG. These really help make clean up MUCH easier so if you can pay a little extra for it when your order, I'd highly recommend it. ;)

Oh, and 1k in this market for a complete rifle is not a bad deal.

Good Luck


Quentin 03-07-2013 01:22 AM

Good deal today (for someone who likes RRA) I guess but not when the thread was created!

AgentTikki 03-07-2013 06:35 PM

>< crap necropost.

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