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Old 09-08-2014, 06:08 AM   #1
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Default Franken-AR... would appreciate any input/info...

Ok... here I am again needing information and input.

This is always my go to place when something like this comes up. First off, I am NOT an AR expert or a gunsmith, I am simply a guy who likes firearms. I know a little, but more importantly I know that I don't know enough.

Now on to the story...

My brother decided to buy an AR not long after the Sandy Hook situation. I tend to be the families "go to" guy on gun stuff so he asked me about it. I told him at the time that I, personally, would be uncomfortable with this purchase - both the price and the lack of information. I also told him that it was his money and if he felt comfortable with the principals... do what he thought was best.

This AR was a "custom build" a friend of a friend put together for a guy, and when it was finished the guy "couldn't come up with the money" and the builder needed to move it; so he could give my brother a "good deal".

Shortly thereafter my brother called me and said that the thing wouldn't sight in he couldn't hardly even get it on paper, let alone bullseyes. My brother lives 400 miles away from me. After a couple of months, I got up to my brothers and could tell that the front sight (gas block?) was visibly out of line with the rear sight. I showed my brother and he took it back to the guy to get it "fixed".

Several weeks later when he got it back, the front sight (gas block?) was gone it had a quad rail on it with a fold down BUIS. The bottom of the barrel now has a "groove" where I'm assuming the old gas block was staked(?). When my brother complained, the guy threw on a screw on "laser" (on the barrel in front of the gas block and a "red dot" scope (both of these probably cost the guy about $20 altogether).

The fold down front sight is higher than the rear sight and the "retention ring" (holds the back end of the quad rail) will not sit "even" (the bottom of the ring is held back towards the receiver just a fraction. I have removed the quad rail and re-attached it and it still does the same thing.

I am going to list as much of the details as I know about this weapon and some pics, you guys feel free to offer any input or information you can. Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Lower= Omni (American Tactical Imports)
Upper= RRA UTE2 (integral rear sight and flat top)
Barrel= 20"
quad rail= approx 11.5"

It was supposed to have "Colt" lower parts, but I have no idea if it does or what to look for to be able to tell.

Now the Pics... I included a pic of the gas tube going into the upper, just because it looked hinky to me...

File Type: jpg upper-lower.jpg (29.7 KB, 108 views)
File Type: jpg gas block.jpg (19.2 KB, 108 views)
File Type: jpg gas tube into upper 2.jpg (20.5 KB, 115 views)
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Tell your brother to get his money back , Period

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Well as you said it is a FrankenAR. Looks slapped together by a bubba with cheap or scrounged parts including the polymer lower. Sounds like he's had it too long to get back his money especially since he probably paid an inflated Sandy Hook price. I'd keep working on it to get it working right, with today's great prices for ARs it doesn't have much value complete or parted out.

Maybe get it working, keep it as a beater then buy/build a good AR while prices are good. Next panic he can see if someone else is as desperate as he was. It would be ideal for a mall ninja with money who never actually shoots it!

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FrankenGun indeed. I can't imagine anyone 'custom' building a heavy 20" SS (heavier still, being RRA) on a cheap and weightless OMNI lower. It just doesn't make sense, unless you're slapping a buncha parts together out of whatever can be found in a panic market. Must be a really front-heavy gun. There are other little details that probably don't add up as well. It's a spare parts gun for sure.

I'd part it out or sell it off cheap. My guess is that'll cause less pain than the cost of getting it right. The gun might work fine...but all the little details that don't fit would drive my OCD over a cliff.

Anyone who played with Legos as a kid can assemble a functional AR. The skill is in understanding the parts, quality materials, and build scheme that will acheive the desired final product. Certain aspects ought to compliment each other (gas system, barrel length, weight ratios, etc). An ideal build doesn't have to be $2500...it can also be $800.

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If you don't mind telling.. how much did your brother pay for it?

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Tell your brother to get his money back , Period
Not an option at this point...

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Well as you said it is a FrankenAR. Looks slapped together by a bubba with cheap or scrounged parts including the polymer lower. Sounds like he's had it too long to get back his money especially since he probably paid an inflated Sandy Hook price. I'd keep working on it to get it working right, with today's great prices for ARs it doesn't have much value complete or parted out.

Maybe get it working, keep it as a beater then buy/build a good AR while prices are good. Next panic he can see if someone else is as desperate as he was. It would be ideal for a mall ninja with money who never actually shoots it!
I agree with this assessment, any suggestions on making it "right" (or righter)?

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FrankenGun indeed. I can't imagine anyone 'custom' building a heavy 20" SS (heavier still, being RRA) on a cheap and weightless OMNI lower. It just doesn't make sense, unless you're slapping a buncha parts together out of whatever can be found in a panic market. Must be a really front-heavy gun. There are other little details that probably don't add up as well. It's a spare parts gun for sure.
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If you don't mind telling.. how much did your brother pay for it?
$1,100.00 with 2 or 3 mags and a couple hundred rounds of ammo...


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FrankenGun indeed. I can't imagine anyone 'custom' building a heavy 20" SS (heavier still, being RRA) on a cheap and weightless OMNI lower. It just doesn't make sense, unless you're slapping a buncha parts together out of whatever can be found in a panic market. Must be a really front-heavy gun. There are other little details that probably don't add up as well...
I agree, it has to be terribly front heavy, way too much for that poor polymer lower. The upper and lower need to be separated, probably parted out. Or if he wants to keep one or the other he could use the lower with a lighter upper, a 22lr upper would be ideal. The heavy upper needs to be on a 7075-T6 lower.

Sadly there were a lot of hard luck AR stories right after Sandy Hook.
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I agree with this assessment, any suggestions on making it "right" (or righter)?



My thoughts exactly....





$1,100.00 with 2 or 3 mags and a couple hundred rounds of ammo...


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Ouch! I see about $400 worth of parts.
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Even with a complete Colt system, a long bull barrel is going to

make the rifle front heavy. I love my HBAR, but balance is

no part of the picture.

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$1,100.00 with 2 or 3 mags and a couple hundred rounds of ammo...
That's a pretty tame mistake compared to much of what was happening in early 2013. Bud's was auctioning off scores of Bushmaster C15 rifles one at a time, and they were all going for north of $2000. You can buy the same rifle today for under $600 (I've seen it under $500).

A lot of folks paid 3X normal prices for parts, ammo, mags, and full rifles. Your brother's gonna eat a few hundred bucks on this one, but his lesson is coming cheaper than it did for many.
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