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Old 05-28-2012, 02:07 AM   #21
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Well, as our President said, promises (like that I was done with this thread) are meant to be broken.

Candidly, the problems with the early M16s were exactly caused by the gas system. The DI system inflicts unacceptable stress upon the BCG group which has led to chronic failure on the battlefield. This is a well-documented fact. The additional fact that, at great expense, the Army overcame this inherent defect does not change the fact that the DI system is poor. Even ten years later, I witness the fact that a huge proportion of the US Army's peacetime M16s were rendered unserviceable due to the stress on the BCG by the DI system.

As far as smoothness goes, the piston system is well-established as providing for a softer recoil and thus better accuracy than the harsh, crude, DI system. That is also my personal experience. I will grant you that a DI rifle, all things being equal, is lighter. But this lightness comes at an unacceptable price, to wit: critical stressing of the operating system.

A "grown man" (MikeJK's condescending words, not mine) acknowledges problems. You are ignoring these problems in your unabashed advocacy of the DI system. The DI system is horribly abusive on the bolt carrier group. As I reported earlier, most of the M16s in USAREUR when I was there had chronic problems with the BCG due to the inherent abuse that the DI system inflicts upon this critical component group. One generation earlier, the M16s in Vietnam simply failed for the same reason. This is far from an endorsement of the DI system. These are facts. People are entitled to their own opinions, (i.e. which system "balances" better) etc. People are not entitled to their own facts. The failure of the M16 DI platform for decades is a well documented fact.

A DI gun can make a splendid range gun or hunting gun. Its inherently flawed design in a low duty-cycle environment does not preclude this. As a battle rifle, it is not the best choice. Or even a satisfactory one.

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Well, as our President said, promises (like that I was done with this thread) are meant to be broken.

Candidly, the problems with the early M16s were exactly caused by the gas system. The DI system inflicts unacceptable stress upon the BCG group which has led to chronic failure on the battlefield. This is a well-documented fact. The additional fact that, at great expense, the Army overcame this inherent defect does not change the fact that the DI system is poor. Even ten years later, I witness the fact that a huge proportion of the US Army's peacetime M16s were rendered unserviceable due to the stress on the BCG by the DI system.

As far as smoothness goes, the piston system is well-established as providing for a softer recoil and thus better accuracy than the harsh, crude, DI system. That is also my personal experience. I will grant you that a DI rifle, all things being equal, is lighter. But this lightness comes at an unacceptable price, to wit: critical stressing of the operating system.

A "grown man" (MikeJK's condescending words, not mine) acknowledges problems. You are ignoring these problems in your unabashed advocacy of the DI system. The DI system is horribly abusive on the bolt carrier group. As I reported earlier, most of the M16s in USAREUR when I was there had chronic problems with the BCG due to the inherent abuse that the DI system inflicts upon this critical component group. One generation earlier, the M16s in Vietnam simply failed for the same reason. This is far from an endorsement of the DI system. These are facts. People are entitled to their own opinions, (i.e. which system "balances" better) etc. People are not entitled to their own facts. The failure of the M16 DI platform for decades is a well documented fact.

A DI gun can make a splendid range gun or hunting gun. Its inherently flawed design in a low duty-cycle environment does not preclude this. As a battle rifle, it is not the best choice. Or even a satisfactory one.
^ Full of fail. Your post is so full of fiction it could be a novel. If you want to believe what you are saying that is fine. I just hope someone doesn't come along and make the mistake of believing it.

If you don't want to take advice from those more experienced than you well then...

I'm bowing out of this one.
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Well, as our President said, promises (like that I was done with this thread) are meant to be broken.

Candidly, the problems with the early M16s were exactly caused by the gas system. The DI system inflicts unacceptable stress upon the BCG group which has led to chronic failure on the battlefield. This is a well-documented fact. The additional fact that, at great expense, the Army overcame this inherent defect does not change the fact that the DI system is poor. Even ten years later, I witness the fact that a huge proportion of the US Army's peacetime M16s were rendered unserviceable due to the stress on the BCG by the DI system.

As far as smoothness goes, the piston system is well-established as providing for a softer recoil and thus better accuracy than the harsh, crude, DI system. That is also my personal experience. I will grant you that a DI rifle, all things being equal, is lighter. But this lightness comes at an unacceptable price, to wit: critical stressing of the operating system.

A "grown man" (MikeJK's condescending words, not mine) acknowledges problems. You are ignoring these problems in your unabashed advocacy of the DI system. The DI system is horribly abusive on the bolt carrier group. As I reported earlier, most of the M16s in USAREUR when I was there had chronic problems with the BCG due to the inherent abuse that the DI system inflicts upon this critical component group. One generation earlier, the M16s in Vietnam simply failed for the same reason. This is far from an endorsement of the DI system. These are facts. People are entitled to their own opinions, (i.e. which system "balances" better) etc. People are not entitled to their own facts. The failure of the M16 DI platform for decades is a well documented fact.

A DI gun can make a splendid range gun or hunting gun. Its inherently flawed design in a low duty-cycle environment does not preclude this. As a battle rifle, it is not the best choice. Or even a satisfactory one.
Boy you really bought into the piston hype didn't you! Very little truth in what you said. If so why not provide links to these "well-documented fact"(s) you speak of.

I'm glad you like your Ruger but you don't have to trash everything else to justify the extra expense. As far as a "battle rifle" it would be a horrible choice compared to the M16/M4 which overall has served admirably for 50 years.
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Bowing out until the next thread comes along for you to hijack.

Hmmm. How did it come to pass that you have more experience than me? I've been shooting military rifles since 1971 and was responsible for maintenance of M16s for years. What I have done less than you is hang out on these silly gun forums.
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Get back to the topic of redleg shooting his ruger.

If you want to argue di vs piston start a new thread but leave personal insults at the door. Present facts if your going that way.

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