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Old 01-22-2014, 12:49 AM   #11
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You'll find many voices on this forum that will mention PSA time and again when it comes to anything under $1K. In my experience you just can't beat their quality at that price. And I say that as someone who has three $1500-2000 rifles from other manufacturers.

They also have complete rifles that go up for sale once or twice a month that include Aimpoint or Eotech red dot sights ($400 optics), for $900-1000. That's a pretty great deal as well.

Want a complete $700 rifle you can find at your LGS?...S&W M&P
You want the best quality available for $600-1000?...PSA, hands down
$1200?...PSA/BCM
$1400?...BCM/Daniel Defense

Just my opinion. And don't fret building. It really is easy.
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The guys are right on track as usual. I have built two over the last month using PSA. I've owned a couple ARs for years that were bought complete.

By building you get the same or better quality and save a few hundred $$$ in the process. Like a lot of people I used to buy a complete rifle at full price then spend an extra 3 or 4 hundred swapping parts to get it the way I wanted it. Building you buy what you want along the way.

And like stated it is a LOT easier than I thought it would be. YouTube and a couple simple tools is all you need.
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I only have two questions about that PSA AR question. One when is it coming back in stock lol, and two I was talking to a buddy that owns 8 or so ARs and he told me that I would want a 1:9 barrel twist not the 1:7 twist. But now that I have been talking to a few people not just on here I think I am going to build my first one so I actually can learn how to disassemble and reassemble it properly.
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I only have two questions about that PSA AR question. One when is it coming back in stock lol, and two I was talking to a buddy that owns 8 or so ARs and he told me that I would want a 1:9 barrel twist not the 1:7 twist. But now that I have been talking to a few people not just on here I think I am going to build my first one so I actually can learn how to disassemble and reassemble it properly.
PSA is pretty well swamped so stuff sells out quick, you just have to keep an eye on them to see when something comes back up. It's likely that a complete upper like the one in the kit will come up for sale before the kit does so you may have to piece it together. Still a great rifle at a great price though.

As for the twist rate, 1/7 shoots 55 grain pretty well, but does exceptionally well with heavier loads (62,69,77 grain, ect.), now 1/9 is a bit more accurate with 55 grain loads but doesn't shoot the heavy stuff as well.

A great compromise is the 1/8 but those can be difficult to come by.

Personally given the choice between 1/7 and 1/9, for a general plinker I'd go 1/9, if you plan any hunting with it or just like heavier loads go 1/7, both will serve you well.

Heres a chart to make it a little easier to understand.
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Huh, that was quick.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-16-mid-length-cl-mp-premium-upper.html
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Well now that its back in stock i just need to get my tax return. I've also been looking at a CMMG kit, its about the same price, and i can pick up the CMMG kit locally. Does anyone have an opinion on CMMG?
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My only experience with CMMG has been to purchase one of their .22 Long Rifle dedicated uppers, and if that product is any indication of their quality, I'd say you couldn't go wrong with them.

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and two I was talking to a buddy that owns 8 or so ARs and he told me that I would want a 1:9 barrel twist not the 1:7 twist.
Twist rate is somewhat overrated, unless you're setting up a bench/varmint/target rifle to shoot specific bullets. So long as you're shooting 50-69gr rounds (which covers 99% of the AR shooting population), anything 1:7 to 1:9 will suffice for the first hundred yards or two.

My opinion is that 1:8 is ideal. It shoots everything really well, but they're not always easy to find within the scheme and price you may desire. 1:9 and 1:7 are plenty good 95+% of the time in my experience. I believe a lot of people go overboard stating 1:7 is 'the standard' just because it's 'milspec'. But I find 1:7 every bit as useful as 1:9. If I were building a strictly varmint gun to shoot only sub-60gr bullets, I would not buy 1:7...but that's the soul detractive senario for 1:7.

I've owned and built rifles in all three twist rates. I currently own two 1:7 'combat' type rifles, and one 1:8 stainless that is set up to be more of a precision rifle. All three are midlengths. Just the recipes that work for me. YMMV.
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Thank you all for your input, i actually do take random strangers input seriously. You all know more about them than I do, for now anyway lol. I will be looking into both the PSA build, and building my own. I have been on slickguns.com (or how ever you spell it) but I'm a little apprehensive of buying a gun online without being able to look at it in person.
slickguns.com is very trustworthy (there links). What you can do is see a gun at the store (your local gun store, walmart, academy, etc) and if you like the feel, order it online. You get to inspect the gun before you sign for it wherever you pick it up! Exactly what i did
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