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Old 06-04-2011, 12:44 PM   #11
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Proprietary is a scary word. If they stop making them for whatever reason and your's has a problem you're screwed. Although I like Spikes the owner has a bad reputation for being shady (outright lying to customers about his products) in the very recent past. So to me the company is still not on firm ground. They did come around and present proof supporting his claims but not for the time frame he was originally stating.

Billet, if you really like it go for it. I have a billet matched upper and lower on a build. I will say I prefer forged because they aren't as thick and are lighter.

Theres not a problem w/ looking at finishes already. The further out you plan the more complete a project will be. If you start just figuring things out as you go the end product will reflect it. Ive been dreaming about going Multi-Cam on an AR forever. I just cant see parting w/ $400 on hydro dip over an optic or new upper/lower.

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now I'm all out of brands that I know.
as noted earlier RRA, Armalite, DPMS, Mega Arms, JD Machine and Iron Ridge all make AR10 lower receivers. Here are some more;

POF
Aero Precision
CMMG
LWRC
LMT

Remember about the 2 proprietary set ups -Armalite or DPMS (not interchangeable).
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Billet - what exactly does that mean? I have a Mustang and I don't know exactly what it means. It's not a brand, billet is a type or shape of formed metal?

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Billet is a form of shaping metal:

You grab a solid block (billet) and mill it until you get the desired shape.

Forge is when you hammer the metal into shape, usually temperature comes into play.

Stamping is when you bend a plate into shape using dies.

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Wow... I fell like I've been let in on a big secret. Thanks!

OK, I finally found what I wanted to model this after...

M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Army Sharpshooters to Get SEAL Sniper Rifle

What are the differences between a standard AR-10 and the M110 / SASS?
- Built in silencer (don't need/can't get/would like to have)
- Fixed butt-stock (will be getting 6-position)

Other than that, it seems like a standard AR-10 with specific name-brand attachments.

AND!!! What is the difference between M110 and the SR-25?

They look the same yet one replaced the other.

Why is this so difficult?

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Wow... I fell like I've been let in on a big secret. Thanks!

OK, I finally found what I wanted to model this after...

M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Army Sharpshooters to Get SEAL Sniper Rifle

What are the differences between a standard AR-10 and the M110 / SASS?
- Built in silencer (don't need/can't get/would like to have)
- Fixed butt-stock (will be getting 6-position)

Other than that, it seems like a standard AR-10 with specific name-brand attachments.

AND!!! What is the difference between M110 and the SR-25?

They look the same yet one replaced the other.

Why is this so difficult?
The m110 is more of a precision rifle while the SR-25 id more of a battle rifle.

Some lowers will except PMags the others won't. The DPMS styled lowers will except PMags.
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OK, I finally found what I wanted to model this after...

M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[url=http://www.military.com/news/article/April-2009/army-sharpshooters-to-get-seal-sniper-rifle.html]Army Sharpshooters to Get SEAL Sniper Rifle[/url}
If you like that then you would like this - http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=1999
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Okay Gloves, it looks like your education is coming along just fine at the hands of the good AR minds here, but let me add a little wisdom for your reading.

The AR-10 platform is not like the AR-15 platform. There are two trees currently waging battle to be the "definitive" platform for the future.

Armalite and DPMS are the current big names and they DO NOT play well together.

Remember Beta Video Tapes?? Not many people do, but at the time they were thought to be better quality than VHS. Remember DAT? Digital Audio Tape was supposed to be better than CD's because the common man could record on them.

VHS and CD's are here today; Beta and DAT have gone the way of the Dodo.

That is where we find ourselves at the moment. Choose the wrong platform and years from now you might be having some "issues" finding parts.

Buying a "name brand" receiver (Billet, Forged or otherwise ) is still going to be based on one of those two platforms, except for KAC and their SR-25 which I think is their own take as well, but it's a much smaller market.

So, let that sink in a bit and do a little research, then we can talk about configuration and why you DON'T want a piston driven system on a "sniper quality weapon system".

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DPMS vs Armalite...

Laser Discs vs DVDs
HDDVDs vs Bluray

I'm getting the picture... I do think right now the DPMS is going to be
the way to go for me. I haven't fully decided yet but just finished reading
various threads and websites. I had no idea that the 2 are incompatible.

It seems the easy way to tell is a 45° vs a rounded back. It also sounds like Armalight always announces that they are Armalight and the ones that don't mention either are generally DPMS?

It sounds like Armalight is more of a Ferrari and DPMS is more of a Ford Mustang.

- While the Ferrari is guaranteed high performance, it's expensive and parts are rare.
- The Ford Mustang gives a lot of power for the buck and everyone makes parts for it.


Instead of searching for "AR-10" stuff i should be searching for "DPMS" ?

- - - - - -

That is what i'm looking for! Panther™ LRT-SASS

This is awesome: SureFire Muzzle Break

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You are getting the hang of it and doing some good reading.

Armalite will probably always be around. They have a long history and good backing.

DPMS definitely has a wider customer base as their products are "cheaper" but still good quality.

DPMS compatible won't steer you wrong, most likely, but they have to win the war on platform specs, or be able to withstand the test of time.

Now, as for the lower and upper receiver. You DON'T need a Billet lower or upper to build an accurate weapon.

While it stands to reason that a solid billet receiver, especially on the upper, is going to be a more solid launch platform, the real dynamics of the platform are grounded in how the upper and lower match up and the rest of your components.

Don't get caught up in the names on the receivers, what you need to start with is getting a good, solid, upper and lower that mates up nice and tight and doesn't have any slop to it.

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