Okay WOAH!! Everybody take a breather here for a moment
First off Mike, you didn't read my post, though you quoted it several times.
It DOES NOT say the upper isn't important. It says that if the OP wants this upper, and he doesn't order the BCG with it (because you mentioned they don't stake theirs so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt) then it MINIMIZES
the amount of individual parts that could be messed up on assembly. That is all it says. Find where I said it does not say anything but that.
Originally Posted by Dillinger
1) If he is just looking for an upper, the whole argument about cutting corners and piss poor assembly is greatly reduced. Outside of the BCG, which could be omitted and a golden one ordered, there are only a small handful of parts in the upper that could be "messed up".
You missed read it, you reacted and got called out on it. I pulled my post back to you, but a couple of people read it and they commented that it had points to the counter-argument.
You made a blanket statement about an entire company and I take exception to that because you have no way of knowing what their QC standards are, or are not.
Facts being facts, if you produce more of anything from marbles to missiles, the more you make, the greater the deviation is going to be from the medium line of perfect. DPMS and Bushmaster, two brands you dislike, have produced FAR more product than some of the newer companies. Cross sampling is obviously going to show more defects on more units, but more accepted units are never factored in, and this is a classic internet MISS point when talking about quality.
I pulled my post because this arguing does NOTHING
for the OP. I learned quite some time ago that being right isn't necessarily going to help the membership here grow and prosper.
I don't know about anyone else, but I would someday like to see companies represented here with giveaways and specials for members only. We don't do that by alienating new members, or less educated members, when they need help.
So here is what I am going to do in the hopes of proving, or disproving, this argument once and for all.
TO THE OP: PLEASE PM ME!!
I would like to ask you about your goals with this rifle change out or upgrade. As long as you don't want to become a Top 3 competitor in a 3 Gun Championship with a $600 rifle and your expectations are realistic (no 1,000 yard headshots or 1,000,000 million round rifle life) then here is what I will offer:
Buy the item in question. Shoot it. If it does NOT work for you and what you need it to do, send it to my shop, registered mail, I will sign for it. I will then have it fixed by my master gunsmith who I work with, documenting the steps that were indeed needed and post it here for all to see. I will do this free of charge. I am going to ask notdku, who is the site owner here, to vouch for me on the guarantee that you will get the weapon back.
I don't know of any other forum that would offer this type of guarantee. I have done this before on two occasions that can be found in my post history and neither time did I have to do anything as the weapons in question were finely suited for their buyer.
I submit this as an end to this blanket argument before anyone needs a timeout or disciplinary action.
Thanks to all for reading.