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Old 09-08-2009, 10:01 PM   #1
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I have a chance to get a DPMS Panther Lite 16 (not a flat-top) for $675. I'm pretty much a dunce when it comes to black guns, so I thought I ask for help B4 making any decisions. Is this gun worth a damn???? Is the price right???

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$675 is a good price for the rifle, I assume it's complete, but I would not purchase it.

First off, the damn carry handle isn't removable, so trying to mount any real optics is going to be a pain in the rear.

If you plan on shooting open sights all the time, it's probably okay, but if you want a longer range shooter, you need more of a flat top to mount a scope and get a good cheek weld.

For that price, I am going to assume you don't get the tunable trigger and the forend is probably the clamshell, cheap plastic heat magnet, so you would have to free float the barrel after the fact to get really good accuracy out of the weapon.

All around, I would pass on this, but my criteria for a weapon like this go beyond taking it to the range for a paper puncher....

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That's all I needed to know, If I get an AR its gotta be a workhorse and versatile, this one doesn't sound like either. Thanks JD.

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I have a chance to get a DPMS Panther Lite 16 (not a flat-top) for $675. I'm pretty much a dunce when it comes to black guns, so I thought I ask for help B4 making any decisions. Is this gun worth a damn???? Is the price right???
I would say that you need to evaluate what your expectation of the rifle is. The AR culture is divided into many subgroups. You've got the utility bunch, in which this rifle would fall into. General plinking at close quarters, etc. Then come the semi tactical rifle match crew, the tacticool accessory laden group, the hunting clan and the benchrest ultra anal accuracy guru's. All Ar devotees.

I would agree that the Panther Lite is for the basic market, kind of like the Mini-14. Considering you can get a Lo-Pro classic with a bull barrel for $725 MSRP, I would think the price you quoted is a little high. These rifles are now in abundance, and prices are dropping.
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The 2008 DPMS catalog lists the Lite for $725. That's DPMS' suggested retail price, so $675 is too much to spend on a rifle of that nature - particularly with A1 rear sight which is adjustable for windage only.

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I have a chance to get a DPMS Panther Lite 16 (not a flat-top) for $675. I'm pretty much a dunce when it comes to black guns, so I thought I ask for help B4 making any decisions. Is this gun worth a damn???? Is the price right???
Here's something to compare what you are seeing to....

R-Guns.net for DPMS rifles

DPMS 16" A3 Sportical Rifle
NOW IN STOCK
$629.00

Something to keep in mind, too....once folks buy their first AR, rarely does it stay the same for very long.

True - it is cheaper in the long run to buy the closest configuration to what you finally want the gun to look like, so you don't have to spend more $$'s changing things out.

But fact is, alot of folks won't know what that look or feel is, until they've changed things and tried them out for themselves.

One of the worst traps you can fall into...becoming a SHEEPLE and following what everyone else is doing and using...because THEY said so. While it is possible that it may work out for you, chances are even better that you'll end up with something that they said looks cool, but isn't what you thought it would be, or you realize that the latest "mall-ninja" look isn't for you. Then you are right back to changing things again.

You have access to the internet, check out a few of the AR sites, not just the forums, but actual AR manufacturer sites, as well as AR parts and accessory sites. This will give you an idea of what is out there, what looks good to you, what price range to expect, as well as some feedback (hopefully unbiased) from gun folks who do reviews on those upgrades or parts, as well as reliability and functionality.

Next, go to a range if you have one nearby, and see if they have rental guns or if you have buddies who own AR's, or maybe another shooter at the range who might let you try his. You have to pick one up, see what it feels like, not just in weight, but hopefully be able to compare an A2 (carry handle as part of the upper) to an A3/A4 flat top receiver (with or without removable carry handle). If you are lucky, you may also be able to compare a 16" carbine to maybe a 20" rifle length, or possibly a 24" long range rifle, just to get an idea of more configurations, weight and length of each, sight radius, etc. This will give you more of an idea of a few of the variations out there, and what you can build or upgrade to.

For under $700, you can be plinking and shooting away with what you found. For under $100 more, you can change it to a flat top upper that you can add optics easily. For a few more $$$'s you can turn it into whatever kind of AR you ultimately want. Or like in the link above, you can find one in the same price range that already has the flat top, and be a little ahead of the curve. But then again, maybe you like the A2 handle look, if so, go for it.

OR....you can save up that money, add a bit more to it, and start off with something closer to what you think you might want as an end product. The choice is up to you and your wallet. But...you really need to do some research and homework, to figure out what it is that feels and looks right to you, and that will work for what you want to be able to do with it.

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The 2008 DPMS catalog lists the Lite for $725. That's DPMS' suggested retail price, so $675 is too much to spend on a rifle of that nature - particularly with A1 rear sight which is adjustable for windage only.
I agree, and I really didn't like that it wasn't a flat top.
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I agree, and I really didn't like that it wasn't a flat top.
You should check out the R-Guns site that Slowryde posted - they have some of the best prices on all DPMS rifles. I bought two LR308-B's from them as well as an excellent hex receiver M91/30.
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