Originally Posted by MikeJK
That maybe so back in 08 but it's 2012 now. A lot of people say BM made a decent rifles a decade ago but that doesn't change the Freedom Groups, profits at any cost mantra of today. Money over morals has never produced a quality product.
As long as there are individuals recommending poor quality to the unknowing/unsuspecting there will be those who will chime in w/ the rest of the story. It's only right.
You're right it is and I don't disagree that their are other's out there now who are manufacturing better rifles than DPMS. But you have dug your heels in about the morals and business practices of DPMS as being unjust by manufacturing lower quality rifles. So what say you to the manufacturers who gouged gun owners back in 08'? I would call that immoral as well, especially when done to the very community that they are supported by ... gun owners.
By your reasoning you wouldn't give time of day for DD, Noveske, LaRue, Armalite, Colt ... all overpriced Mil Spec rifles
The so called "top tier" manufacturers tried to gouge gun owner by selling $1k rifles for $2k and more. A lot of this "DPMS is crap" lore was started by folks who were suckered into paying $2k for their rifles and felt slighted that anyone would dare sell an AR for less than $1k. Read the build threads here Mike, look at the range reports, lot's of folks here who "built" their own, Spitty ACTUALLY built his own, and we didn't need the Chart or some top tier manufacturer to do it.
Just because GM sells a Camaro for $60k doesn't make it a Corvette ..... it's still a POS Camaro
as I said, I would love for FTF to have the clout with manufacturers to be able to conduct product reviews and head to head tests so we could put forth viable, accurate information and not just opinion or regurgitated internet lore. Look at all the sites listed in Q's post - is it any wonder why some manufacturers won't even think of submitting for testing ... they couldn't possibly get a fair shake.