[frostyone]

These are the specs listed on del-tons site for a Sierra 316H rifle. It says 16" midlength


Barrel:
Chrome Moly Vanadium
M4 Feed Ramps
16" Length
1x9 Twist
A2 Flash Hider
Manganese Phosphated
Phosphated under Front Sight Base
Taper Pins on A2 Front Sight Base
Threaded Muzzle
Heavy Mid Length
Chamber:

5.56 X 45 mm
Bolt And Carrier:
Phosphated 8620 Steel Carrier Assembly
Carpenter 158 Bolt HPT/MPI Tested
Heat Treated and Plated
Mil-Spec
Chrome Lined Carrier Interior
Carrier Key - chrome lined, attached with Grade 8 Screws
Properly Staked & Sealed Gas Key
Handguards:
Mid-Length
Aluminum Delta Ring
Single Heat Shield
Upper Receiver:
Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
A3 Flat Top With M4 Feed Ramps
Hard Coat Anodized
Mil-Spec
Ejection Port Cover and Round Foward Assist
Right Hand Ejection
Bore's surface is coated with dry film lube, over the anodized surface
Lower Receiver:
Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
Hard Coat Anodized
Mil-Spec
Aluminum Triggerguard
Semi-Auto
Aluminum Mag Catch Button
Buttstock:
M4 6 Position
Reinforced Fiber
Commericial Sized Tube
Weight:
7.0 lbs Empty
Length:
36.375" Fully Extended
32.625 Collapsed
Accessories:
Hard Case
2 - 30rd Mags
Sling
Cleaning Kit

[Quentin]

Thanks for that post, Frosty. From what I'm reading Del-Ton is taking a shot at it with their "milspec" models but quickly looking at the barrel and bolt (the heart and soul of the AR) there are missing specs:

•Independently Certified Mil-Spec 11595E Barrel Steel
•Chrome Lined Bore and Chamber

•Tool Steel Extractor
•Black Extractor Insert

and of course you can't say your AR is milspec then have:

1x9 Twist
Commericial Sized Tube

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Thanks for that post, Frosty. From what I'm reading Del-Ton is taking a shot at it with their "milspec" models but quickly looking at the barrel and bolt (the heart and soul of the AR) there are missing specs:

•Independently Certified Mil-Spec 11595E Barrel Steel
•Chrome Lined Bore and Chamber

•Tool Steel Extractor
•Black Extractor Insert

and of course you can't say your AR is milspec then have:

1x9 Twist
Commericial Sized Tube

Almost but just not quite, the corner cutters mantra. A good example of "normal" for lower end ARs. Why attempt to step up your game then come up short because of such easy fixes.

Like building a Trophy Truck for the Baja 1000 then putting street tires on it.

[sublime42283]

Originally Posted by Quentin

So your unnamed sources are saying a cheap AR is built to the same exacting standards as a high quality AR? And that no corners are cut? I'd look for better unnamed sources, these guys are telling us to throw out the TDP and equip the troops with Vulcan. You need to give brands and people's names or this is just hearsay.

Hey Quentin, I really wish I could release the information fully, but I am not allowed by law cause of confidentiallity agreements. The point I was trying to make and I don't know if I made a good argument for it, was that a industry standard is set, usually from the MIL SPEC, especially in the AR industry, and few companies go beyond that spec when it comes to the base model. The well known companies are using the same spec as the not so well known companies, but the price of that particular weapon will be priced higher because of the weapon is from a well known company. Just because an AR holds the name COLT, BCM, Daniel Defense, etc. does not mean that particular weapon is better than any other weapon manufactured according to the same spec and platform. Remember once upon a time COLT was the lowest bidder within the MIL SPEC standard. So using that premise, if we are comparing all AR's to the original design and the progression of accuracy in manufacturing process and the MIL SPEC standard, then as long as an AR is manufactured to the MIL SPEC standard as a base model the difference in quality of the weapon is of no consequence.

[jamesb]

Oh crap......this again

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by jamesb

Oh crap......this again

My thought as well. That's why I just hit the back button, lol.

My secret squirrel, ninja friends said.....

[sublime42283]

I have sent requests to two manufacturers for access to specifications that are not listed on the websites for there base model AR's. I have stated that I am willing to sign confidentiality agreements for both manufacturers and of course I know that means I cannot release the names in reference to the information or face prosecution under the law, but will keep the forum informed on what information I receive. I do not have any reason to portray either of these manufacturers inacturately as I do not have any stake in either of them. Will update...

[Quentin]

Well good luck sublime42283... no doubt information will be hard to come by.

[sublime42283]

I have been contacted by the general manager of the less expensive manufacturer. I am going to see what info I can get access to, I still have not heard anything from the other. I will keep everyone updated on the info that I am granted.

[pike]

Well yada, yada, yada, gezzzzz.

Just joined here today have a DPMS, dumb me huh.
Yeah, a complete mil-spec is prolly built a tad better, good chance it wont jam any less or shoot any straighter, but I ain't going to war with it, unless you call varmints/vermin or getting out of the pickup in a hurry for a coyote or a wolf war.
$606 NIB out the door, another couple of hunnered on a descent optic and it'll get er done..

Danm! (can we say that here) I think from now on I will stick in the Idaho forum, see how that developes, (which is why I joined in the first place) or go back over to ar15, or the like, and let ya'll argue the whats better here....

Oh my, aren't we off to a good beginning here. LOL....

C-ya all in the funny papers, or on the Idaho forum...

Later,
Pike