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SmokyMtnHiker 03-04-2012 01:02 PM

A couple of AR questions..
 
I've been looking into ARs again. Still stuck on building one or ordering one. The only issues are, i'm on a tight budget and I dont really have the time build one, I'll have a new born soon so all my attention will be on the baby. I dont mind ordering one prebuilt, entry level of course. If I do go entry level could I change out the front sight/gas block for a low profile block? Also, could I switch out the stock hand guard to a quad-rail? I dont like the looks of the stock M16/M4 tapered hand guard.

One more thing, what is a 2 stage trigger?

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mjkeat 03-04-2012 01:49 PM

Check out PSA www.palmettostatearmory.com. They have rifle kits that only require a stripped lower for around $500. Your looking at a $600 AR.

At this point I would hold off on the trigger. Go w/ a mil spec and put the money into the base rifle.

SmokyMtnHiker 03-04-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mjkeat
At this point I would hold off on the trigger.

Okay. I was wondering what it was..how does it differ?

Yea i'm looking fairly low cost. This AR will be just a casual range rifle, just shooting for fun with my buddies.

Later on down the road i'll put a different grip and stock on it but for right now just a plinking AR

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Snakedriver 03-04-2012 01:58 PM

One of the Vendors here at FTF has complete Palmetto State Armory AR's on sale and in-stock for $750. All you have to do is have it transfered to your local gun shop and pay a small transfer fee. They're great guys to deal with.

One of the members here bought one from Joe Bob's recently and had it in about 3 days.

For a starter AR it's hard to beat that deal for a mil-spec type AR. All you need is ammo and magazines.

Here's a link:

http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Palmetto_State_Armory_AR15_ORC_16_Chrome_Lined_5_p/gun-psam4-cl.htm

You might be able to save a couple of bucks by building one from parts, but for a complete rifle to start out, I think this is the way to go. :cool:

SmokyMtnHiker 03-04-2012 02:27 PM

@snakedriver: would you know if I could switch out the stock guard for a different type myself and switch out the front sight/gas block for a low profile? Not a fan of the stock ones.

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Snakedriver 03-04-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokyMtnHiker (Post 728481)
@snakedriver: would you know if I could switch out the stock guard for a different type myself and switch out the front sight/gas block for a low profile? Not a fan of the stock ones.

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Well sure, with a handguard tool ($15-$30) you can switchout the handguards to any type you like. It takes maybe 15 minutes to do.

Swapping out the A2 front sight to a low-profile style is a different matter. That requires a good amount of skill.

For the same price as the Palmetto rifle Joe Bob's has a nice Rock River rifle that is similar, but has the low-pro front sight you're looking for:

http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Rock_River_Arms_LAR_15_Fall_Special_Midlength_Hand _p/rra-bb1001.htm

I have a Rock River AR and really like it a lot. The RRA rifle at Joe Bob's will need a scope set-up or a set of irons added to it to be able to aim it. The cool thing about the Palmetto is that it's got sights and is ready to go.

ETA: Here's another RRA AR at Joe Bob's with another set-up you may like, but more expensive:

http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Rock_River_Arms_LAR_15_Fall_Special_Carbine_Quadra _p/rra-bb1000.htm

ScottA 03-04-2012 03:14 PM

I'm no gunsmith at all. Typically, if I need any changes to a gun I take it to the experts. However, I have found the AR to be dirt simple to make changes on.

I picked up a hand guard tool on Amazon for $14. It was very easy to remove the hand guard on my PSA upper and add rail to it (It's MOE). To change out the hand guard would probably take all of one minute.

Snakedriver 03-04-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottA (Post 728523)
I'm no gunsmith at all. Typically, if I need any changes to a gun I take it to the experts. However, I have found the AR to be dirt simple to make changes on.

I picked up a hand guard tool on Amazon for $14. It was very easy to remove the hand guard on my PSA upper and add rail to it (It's MOE). To change out the hand guard would probably takes all of one minute.

Wow, you're pretty fast!

canebrake 03-04-2012 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokyMtnHiker (Post 728427)
I've been looking into ARs again. Still stuck on building one or ordering one. The only issues are, i'm on a tight budget and I dont really have the time build one, I'll have a new born soon so all my attention will be on the baby. I dont mind ordering one prebuilt, entry level of course. If I do go entry level could I change out the front sight/gas block for a low profile block? Also, could I switch out the stock hand guard to a quad-rail? I dont like the looks of the stock M16/M4 tapered hand guard.

Picky, picky, picky.

It's clear to me, BUILD one!

Why?
  • When you build you save on assembly labor costs.
  • When you build you get the gun you want the first time.
  • When you build you you don't have to take off and discard parts you've paid for.
  • When you build you learn the AR.
  • When you build you capture the missing half of AR ownership enjoyment lost in the purchase of a completed gun.
  • When you build you can purchase a completed upper and still claim you built your gun.
  • When you build you are no longer just a consumer.

Build one, we will help you and don't worry about the time. You've got this far in life sans AR, an additional month or two is a cake walk. And the completion is cathartic!

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Originally Posted by SmokyMtnHiker (Post 728427)
One more thing, what is a 2 stage trigger?

Here's a good definition from recguns;
Most civilian rifle triggers are single stage. When you place your finger on it and apply pressure, the trigger shouldn't move at all, until it "breaks" and the gun fires. If it does move, it's called "take-up", and usually considered a Bad Thing.

Actually, what you lable as "take-up" in the above para, is called creep, and trigger "creep" is what is considered a "bad thing." Take-up is all together another phenom.

So let's understand the differences between "take-up" and "creep." Take-up is a wonderfully replicated feeling/action, found in 2 stage triggers, in preparation of firing, and creep is when you think you are trying to fire, but you just seem to keep pulling the trigger & it does not break cleanly. Creep is found in both single & double stage triggers.

Now, why do those who have experienced a good 2 stage trigger want a 2 stage trigger?

First, gas guns require a far greater pull weight than bolt guns, to be safe/legal for competition. So, when you must have a 4.5 lbs trigger, it's nice to split the weight between 2 stages, instead of one!

Second, many want a relatively heavy trigger for defense/law enforcement applications.

Third, there is a certain confidence in a 2 stage trigger. You pull through the first stage, and when you get to the "stop", you know you are on the ragged edge, and any movement of the trigger will fire the rifle. This is so in a match 2 stage trigger.

--Clint McKee

JTJ 03-04-2012 04:26 PM

Buy an assembled upper and an assembled lower separately and you save the 11% fed excise tax which is on complete firearms.


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