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Old 05-27-2013, 03:31 AM   #31
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Good choice and good price.
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Any comments on the special tool or a case recommendation?
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Old 05-27-2013, 04:42 AM   #33
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Any comments on the special tool or a case recommendation?
This one is good deal

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ol/B0054LT4K2/ref=mw_dp_olp
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Is that why Colt LOST the military contract to Remington & the DEA, FBI & CIA went to RRAs. Colt is now buying cheap low quality guns to sell at $850 from a budget econo gun maker & putting Colts name on them. Once was the best, didn't improve & lost. Dream on! RRA has a lifetime wattenty & guaranties 3/4" MOA. Does Colt?
Colt lost the military contract for the M4 carbine because it wanted too much money. Similarly, FNH USA lost the contract for the M240 to Colt. Uncle Sam purchases NSN items based on adherence to specifications and cost.

What does that prove about both companies?

They wanted too much money for their product so the government put the manufacturing of the products up for bidding and the lowest bidders won the contracts.

The DEA, FBI, and CIA can purchase whatever they want, but quite frequently purchase whatever they perceive to be the better deal. When the US military was unloading extra Colt carbines and rifles those agencies snapped them up. Now that they have to purchase on contract, they perceive the RRA carbines to be a better deal.

Colt has a limited lifetime warranty just like RRA's limited lifetime warranty.

BTW, RRA says that the accuracy is 1 MOA at 100 yards for the types of carbines that those agencies would order. The competition models are claimed to be 3/4 MOA at 100 yards.

I'd have to see a lightweight barrel AR get 1 MOA to believe it. I'm sure it's possible, but I'd want to see that in person. I have no interest in the heavy barrel AR's, at least if I have to carry it, but to each his own.

What does 1 MOA accuracy at 100 yards buy you when most LE engagements with carbines are at in-room distances?

How tight are the tolerances on those carbines that they can maintain that level of accuracy?

If it were me, I'd rather have a slightly less accurate carbine with some tolerance for dirt and debris.

I've shot 2 to 3 MOA groups with Federal XM193 and a Colt AR6721 at 100 yards using an Aimpoint Comp M3 and 3X magnifier, but never much better than 2 MOA.

Dammit flylo, now I want a RRA carbine to play with.
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Old 05-27-2013, 02:14 PM   #35
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I bought the Coyote 20" for varment hunting which has the 3/4 MOA guarantee. $1059 w/free shipping & no CC fee. It's a true sub 1/2 MOA rifle. I wasn't knocking Colt, they just didn't keep up with what customers wanted because they thought the goverment contract was forever. Then went after the low end market which was a mistake IMHO. I think they had the ability to design a top shelf rifles maybe even bolt actions or 50 BMG. I'm just not happy they went the "me too cheapest on the rack" route. http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/43642/c/firearms#

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Colt lost the military contract for the M4 carbine because it wanted too much money. Similarly, FNH USA lost the contract for the M240 to Colt. Uncle Sam purchases NSN items based on adherence to specifications and cost.

What does that prove about both companies?

They wanted too much money for their product so the government put the manufacturing of the products up for bidding and the lowest bidders won the contracts.

The DEA, FBI, and CIA can purchase whatever they want, but quite frequently purchase whatever they perceive to be the better deal. When the US military was unloading extra Colt carbines and rifles those agencies snapped them up. Now that they have to purchase on contract, they perceive the RRA carbines to be a better deal.

Colt has a limited lifetime warranty just like RRA's limited lifetime warranty.

BTW, RRA says that the accuracy is 1 MOA at 100 yards for the types of carbines that those agencies would order. The competition models are claimed to be 3/4 MOA at 100 yards.

I'd have to see a lightweight barrel AR get 1 MOA to believe it. I'm sure it's possible, but I'd want to see that in person. I have no interest in the heavy barrel AR's, at least if I have to carry it, but to each his own.

What does 1 MOA accuracy at 100 yards buy you when most LE engagements with carbines are at in-room distances?

How tight are the tolerances on those carbines that they can maintain that level of accuracy?

If it were me, I'd rather have a slightly less accurate carbine with some tolerance for dirt and debris.

I've shot 2 to 3 MOA groups with Federal XM193 and a Colt AR6721 at 100 yards using an Aimpoint Comp M3 and 3X magnifier, but never much better than 2 MOA.

Dammit flylo, now I want a RRA carbine to play with.
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Colt still makes a military grade, top tier AR that has been their bread and butter firearms for decades. I use to think that if they lost their government contracts they'd soon be out of business. Who knew the M4/M16 would last this long as our service rifle. In the past couple of years they've really started catering to the civilian market again to survive as a viable company. I think they foolishly licensed their name to several companys who now produce firearms with the Colt name like the rimfire clones made by Walther. Their model 6900 made by some other company has met very mixed reviews. Their Marksman line made in Texas is licensed by them and are hand built rifles geared to 3 gun match shooters, and have been received well.
Smith & Wesson was the first company to produce an AR with Magpul MOE from the factory, then Colt started doing likewise along with other companys. I hope the company survives as it's such an iconic American firearms producer.
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I didn't use a special tool to put the handle on my Magpul forend. Just a good grip and a downward pull on the ring. It's a bit strong.
But I found if I did one side at a time by tilting the ring it came right off. Same for reinstall. I've had the two pieces kinda hang up,on reinstall, a semi sharp blow with the heel of my hand and was good to go.
Hope that helps..........
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I didn't use a special tool to put the handle on my Magpul forend. Just a good grip and a downward pull on the ring. It's a bit strong.
But I found if I did one side at a time by tilting the ring it came right off. Same for reinstall. I've had the two pieces kinda hang up,on reinstall, a semi sharp blow with the heel of my hand and was good to go.
Hope that helps..........
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I just did the same thing a week ago when my new handguard came in lol
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:10 PM   #39
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Apparently I'm retard ill see if that works on mine as it should obviously lol
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I dont believe that Tard is the correct term....Lets go with undereducated..... I'm a AR newb also, but I have this predisposition that prevents me from taking direction well, so I have been know to take thing's apart and then go oh, S$%^....now, how do I put this back together...so then I start using brute strength and ignorance to resolve the issue....sometimes it works, sometime's not so much....this time it just happened to work out....

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