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Old 05-20-2012, 10:20 PM   #31
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Do I trust a doer or a sayer? Hmmmmm tough one.
agreed. Thats why the full disclosure. I wouldnt assume to trust anyone on the net... research it for yourself. try to avoid asking gun guys about the steel and see what you find out about it.
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agreed. Thats why the full disclosure. I wouldnt assume to trust anyone on the net... research it for yourself. try to avoid asking gun guys about the steel and see what you find out about it.
It's an easy choice for me. I know who to trust. I will always put more weight behind the advice of the guy who actually puts foot to ass.

Talking about that after calling me a dip **** you mentioned teaching me a thing or 2. You have also mention a few times that you were an instructor. What is the company/ group you instruct for?
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:14 PM   #33
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Criterion barrels is a botton rifled barrel division of Krieger barrels. They make alot of production barrels. Have to tell all the benchrest shooters that SS wears quicker. HA Check out AR PREFOMENCE You can get a light and heavy profile carbon steel R5 rifled melonite treated barrel. And you have a choice of steel in some barels.Pice is great too.- http://www.ar15performance.com/5_56_223

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this is from 2006. i have little to no doubt considering the reputation they desire to keep they verify their steel contents.

with no real complaints about bcm quality ill go with what they say. i would hazard a guess that considering BCM's reputation they would produce documents if you asked nice.

its not a concern to me
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I'll take a BCM in a moment. Very happy with mine, and have put several hundred rounds in concession through it.
Obviously, if Fixer doesn't like the BCM for whatever reason, that's fine. The only time I've ever heard any issue about BCM was a fitting issue, and when Paul got wind of it, he popped into the forum and updated that, due to the machining issue, they fixed it and posted in a public forum that anyone who had that problem to notify them, they replaced all the uppers that had issues and picked up all costs.
That speaks volumes to me about quality and durability. I've seen numerous posts on multiple forums about this AR or that AR failing. It's not something I've seen with BCM, so I'll stick with them, because cost wise, they are well worth more.

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I haven't seen any bad post about BCM anywhere, I'm waiting for them to get some in. I've never used BCM before, but they come very much recommended.

I am also interested in armalite, I think they melonite treat their barrels.

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I'll take a BCM in a moment. Very happy with mine, and have put several hundred rounds in concession through it.
Obviously, if Fixer doesn't like the BCM for whatever reason, that's fine. The only time I've ever heard any issue about BCM was a fitting issue, and when Paul got wind of it, he popped into the forum and updated that, due to the machining issue, they fixed it and posted in a public forum that anyone who had that problem to notify them, they replaced all the uppers that had issues and picked up all costs.
That speaks volumes to me about quality and durability. I've seen numerous posts on multiple forums about this AR or that AR failing. It's not something I've seen with BCM, so I'll stick with them, because cost wise, they are well worth more.
I certainly agree Ben, no complaints with my recent BCM purchase either, a fine rifle. I'd put BCM, Daniel Defense, LMT and Noveske right up there with Colt and FN barrels.
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if i had to place a bet, i would bet that bcm gets their barrels from FN. there are not a lot if any hammer forge barrel makers in the US. especially for ar barrels in the quality bcm wants.

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The FN Manufacturing hammer forged, chrome plated barrel is legendary in the firearms industry for precise accuracy and long life.
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I have no issues with BCM, LaRue, Noveski, Stag...blah blah blah. I just don't buy 4150CMV from anyone other than Colt/FN without seeing the report. I think the problem here is many attribute not buying from someone as a sign the buyer thinks the seller is of poor quality. Thats your hang up... not mine.

I have said on many forums, I love BCM products.

I remember when Paul published that report. As I remember he also had a company chop up a Colt barrel for testing too.

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well if mine goes boom you know im gonna post pics and the story

if it was someone like kimber or keltec making similar statements bcm is making i would need a king sized bag of salt to believe it.

a company cannot get away making milspec quality claims for long and get away without someone finding out. just takes one disgruntled employee to pop the bubble

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