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Old 05-07-2008, 11:27 PM   #11
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LOL...not that it really matters, but compare RRA's CAR A2/A4 to any of their PRO series or Elite Comp. None of which are really designed for one set market or another. Let me guess...all the doo-dads and bling-bling take away from your accuracy?

And if memory serves me right, most government contracts are awarded to the LOWEST bidder, not necessarily the highest performer.

But that's just my .02.

And to top it off, I still like Bushmaster and Rock River....along with Armalite, Colt, DPMS, Les Baer, Wilson Combat, LMT, Larue, and my latest addition to the safe, a Noveske. They are all good in their own ways. And to the original poster, you can't go wrong with any of them.

You are comparing apples and oranges! The "Elite" and "Pro" series are all short barrelled (16") , NON-HBAR, sleletonized stock, quad rail "assault" rifles (even though I despise the term, I'll use it here to make a point), and yes, they are meant to appeal to a specific market - those only interested in TACTICAL RIFLES. In fact the "Pro" series and "Pro Series Elite" are not even available with "substitutions" such as heavy barrel, bull barrel, longer barrel, competition sights, or A2 stocks or forends - hence the advertised accuracy of only 1 - 1.5" moa as compared to their other offerings, such as the NMA4 and Varmint grade rifles. If I wanted poor accuracy ratings, I could have bought the Colt or Armalite - for $500 more than I spent on the RRA NMA4.
As far as awarding of government contracts goes, you are right to a point. I know, I used to bid government contracts in the Aviation/Simulation field, and I lost a bid on a Visual Display System that has been at the pinnacle of VDS's for well over 30 years - in fact our system was purchased for use in the Space Shuttle in the early 90's. The reason - price! In the Aviation field quality seems to take a back seat to price. In firearms however, there exists a set of non-negotiable standards and tests that MUST be met for a weapon or weapons system to be accepted. RRA won those contracts, both DEA and FBI. I did the research priior to my RRA acquisition and the top contenders for my money, Colt and Armalite, did not publish accuracy standards that appealed to me, and their prices were FAR higher than RRA's. That being said, they all make good and dependable products, but given the vast array of manufacturers, it stands to reason that someone must occupy the high ground - for me, and for the present time, that's RRA. The Value: Price relationship should always be considered.
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[QUOTE=RL357Mag;23433]You are comparing apples and oranges! The "Elite" and "Pro" series are all short barrelled (16") , NON-HBAR, sleletonized stock, quad rail "assault" rifles (even though I despise the term, I'll use it here to make a point), and yes, they are meant to appeal to a specific market - those only interested in TACTICAL RIFLES. In fact the "Pro" series and "Pro Series Elite" are not even available with "substitutions" such as heavy barrel, bull barrel, longer barrel, competition sights, or A2 stocks or forends - hence the advertised accuracy of only 1 - 1.5" moa as compared to their other offerings, such as the NMA4 and Varmint grade rifles. If I wanted poor accuracy ratings, I could have bought the Colt or Armalite - for $500 more than I spent on the RRA NMA4.QUOTE]

LOL...no problem. But to make my point, the RRA products I mentioned were basically comparable in barrel length. The only real differences between the ones I mentioned were the mods they added to those high $$ models. That is why they are not available with subs. IF the add-ons are what you are looking for, they offered a few models with some very popular modifications, that seemingly are high on the enthusiast's radar. And each of the models I was comparing were offered with the NM 2-stage trigger. I never compared their 20" offerings in my post. My point being, the ones I listed are very comparable, EXCEPT in price. That being said, it just seems very strange that they would advertize their most expensive rifle (with all the add-ons) and state it's accuracy of 1.5 MOA, when you can buy basically the same 16" model, without all the bells and whistles, that that they advertize will shoot 1 MOA? With the difference of $2000, you could modify the cheaper model into just about anything you wanted it to be. But then again, with the $2900, you would have quite a few options in the top tier segment of the market, such as Wilson Combat, Les Baer, LMT, Noveske, etc.

To the original poster, for the price range of the models you were most likely looking at, in the Bushmaster or RRA, you won't go wrong with either. The RRA models are available with their 2-stage National Match trigger, a very nice option. Since you never really mentioned if you were looking for a rifle or carbine, the availability of the 2-stage NM trigger, and one of their 1:8 twist barrels, in 16" or 20" size, would give you a very good firearm capable of very good accuracy. As for the all the options, that is basically up to what you want your firearm to be, form, fit, or function. That is one of the best things about the AR, the ease of modification. So go pick one out, and go out and enjoy.

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rock river arms but there is absolutely nothing wrong with bushmaster either they both are quality made ar15's

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Incidentally, while the retail price of the RRA NMA4 is $1215, they offer FFL dealers the same gun for $915! That's how I got mine - through a friend with an FFL who allowed me to order it. So for $915 I got a match-grade AR-15. Their Standard A2 model, which has more match features than what Bushmaster and Colt would sell you for $1000 and above(Colt) will cost a dealer less than $700. The Standard A2 comes with the NM 2-stage trigger, and the 20" Heavy contour Chrome Moly barrel. AS far as I know, nobody offers those features on an AR-15 for less than $700...I might be wrong, and I can only speak to what I have experience with, so RRA gets my vote of confidence. I would have ordered their .308 version, unfortunately they are back logged from Dec.2007 with orders and have not even started production, so I bought the DPMS instead. It is a very well made and accurate gun also, but has a lousy trigger which will cost an additional $200 to fix, bringing the total to over $1050, which is about $150 more than the RRA LAR-308 WITH the NM 2-stage trigger as a standard item!

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