Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion > AR-15 Discussion > Budget HBAR AR-15 build options

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-10-2010, 05:57 AM   #11
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mjkeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Wichita,Kansas
Posts: 4,026
Liked 8 Times on 8 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quentin View Post
Yeah it's difficult to recommend for someone else since you can't be sure that it's right for them especially in the future as their needs may change. I actually agree with you on the Spikes LE uppers, they're incredible bargains and the odds are that 1:7 will handle 55gr. just fine. Also there are ways to live with a fixed A2/F-marked FSB.

I was just saying that if Jedi has chosen the Del-Ton because it offers the features he wants for the best price then maybe give it a little more thought but in the end it is his decision. One thing for sure, there are so many great choices -it ain't easy!
I am just speaking from experience. As my skill increased so did my needs requireing me to change things around. For instance my M6A1 came w/ 7" rail and F marked front sight. For $200 more I could have had a M6A2 that would have met all my needs even today. Because I didnt get the A2 to start I ended up spending much more money and time getting an aftermarket rail to mount properly. I have my A2 sight on for the mean-time while I get things in order for a low profile GB. As soon as that happens the A2 will come off and a free float rail will go on. Its all but a 15 min. job.

Its a hard decision to make when you are dealing w/ that kind of $.

Enough of that though.
__________________
mjkeat is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2010, 04:55 PM   #12
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 14
Default

Also, looking at the picture for the spikes tactical upper, it looks like a heavy barrel but in the description is states government profile. Is that not the same as M4?

__________________
Jedi940 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2010, 05:14 PM   #13
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mjkeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Wichita,Kansas
Posts: 4,026
Liked 8 Times on 8 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedi940 View Post
Also, looking at the picture for the spikes tactical upper, it looks like a heavy barrel but in the description is states government profile. Is that not the same as M4?
I just did a search and it appears the the gov. profile is a heavier barrel and the M4 is lighter w/ cut outs for a 203 launcher.
__________________
mjkeat is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2010, 05:41 PM   #14
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 14
Default

From what I read, the only difference is the forward notch. The barrel still gets thin under the hand guard which I don't want. I guess I'll have to make some compromises for my first build until I can get more money to build a better one. If I got everything I wanted, I would probably end up spending $1000 on the upper alone. The only thing I'm not sure about is chrome lining. I have read several reports that chrome lining aids in feeding and extraction of cheap steel cased ammo which is what I would like to use for plinking.

__________________
Jedi940 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2010, 07:18 PM   #15
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mjkeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Wichita,Kansas
Posts: 4,026
Liked 8 Times on 8 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedi940 View Post
From what I read, the only difference is the forward notch. The barrel still gets thin under the hand guard which I don't want. I guess I'll have to make some compromises for my first build until I can get more money to build a better one. If I got everything I wanted, I would probably end up spending $1000 on the upper alone. The only thing I'm not sure about is chrome lining. I have read several reports that chrome lining aids in feeding and extraction of cheap steel cased ammo which is what I would like to use for plinking.
Dont compromise. Save if you need to. A grand is a lot to spend, but... Chrome lining of the bolt from what Ive been told help smooth out cycling and aids lubrication. Chrome lining the barrel aids in lengthening the life of the barrel. Youre right though steel cased ammo is said to lessen the life of the extractor. Do you really need a heavy barrel? I think a medium or the thin to heavy contour would serve you fine for a semi auto rifle.

Heres what I found:

swingsetOctober 31, 2006, 12:59 AM
I don't have the measurements handy but in general, here's what they are:

Lightweight - thin the entire length.
government - thin under the handguards, heavy profile from the gas block to the flash suppressor
M4 - stepped barrel, thin under the handguard.
A1 - generally a lightweight barrel, whole length.
A2 - generally a government profile, sometimes an HBAR
HBAR - very heavy under the handguards, heavy to the FS.
standard - heavy all the way to the FS.
Pencil - thin the entire length.

For a handy carbine, get a lightweight barrel. They are accurate, unless you shoot the living crud out of them and get them super hot, and the weight savings is worth it. There are no downsides to light barrels, unless you're shooting F/A or match shooting.
__________________
mjkeat is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2010, 01:41 AM   #16
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Jpyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Sewell,NJ
Posts: 4,815
Liked 762 Times on 441 Posts
Likes Given: 456

Default

[QUOTE=Jedi940;312465]First post; First AR-15

It has the heavy barrel, railed gas block with YHM sight already included for $425. I read alot of people recommending spikes tactical but it seems that all their uppers come with the A2 front sight.

Are there any other options that I am missing?

QUOTE]

The upper in your link does not have a railed gas block, the YHM flip up sight replaces the gas block entirely and does not mount to a rail. I am looking at the exact same sight for my build. One word of advice, if you decide on a free float tube over standard M4 hand guards have it factory installed. Taking the gas block off and then reinstalling it after you get the tube on can be a real PITA, especially if you have a FH or brake installed on the barrel.

__________________

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington


Last edited by Jpyle; 07-11-2010 at 01:43 AM.
Jpyle is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2010, 02:52 AM   #17
Crazy Azz Redneck
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Txhillbilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,407
Liked 1081 Times on 620 Posts
Likes Given: 507

Default

The HBAR I put together,I used a Model 1 Sales upper with a 16" stainless barrel and aluminum carbine length floating handguard. It will shoot neck & neck with my RRA Varminter up to around 300yrds.

Some guys talk bad about Model 1 Sales,but I have used their stuff for years without any problems and they are a local company for me.

RRA Varminter-Top, 16" HBAR-Bottom

__________________
Txhillbilly is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2010, 04:23 AM   #18
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 14
Default

A big deciding factor would be weights. If I could figure out what the weight will be with the heavy barrel and standard m4 handguard that would help me out a lot. I don't want a 10 pound gun but I also don't want a super thin barrel either.

I think I will call customer support and see if I can get dimensions and weights on the barrels. Just looking at their pictures, its hard to tell actual size. If their "lightweight" barrel is still thicker than the m4, I might switch to that. If its a "pencil barrel," forget it.

@txhillbilly - what is the weight difference between your two rifles. Optics included is fine (unless one scope is way heavier than the other) as I intend to put a scope on mine as well.

__________________

Last edited by Jedi940; 07-11-2010 at 04:41 AM. Reason: add info
Jedi940 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2010, 04:36 AM   #19
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Quentin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Idaho
Posts: 6,439
Liked 926 Times on 652 Posts
Likes Given: 902

Default

A 16" HBAR carbine would weigh about 7-7.5 pounds while an M4 clone would be about 6 pounds. No mag, no rails and just iron sights. A lot of the weight of the HBAR is out front so it's not as manueverable as the M4 but easier to keep on target for quick followups. You really have to handle both to decide which is best for you. I recently saw an AR weight calculator, I'll try to find the link tomorrow if someone doesn't post it sooner - going to bed now.

__________________

Last edited by Quentin; 07-11-2010 at 04:39 AM.
Quentin is online now  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2010, 08:17 PM   #20
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 14
Default

Well I emailed customer service at del-ton and asked them about their barrels. They said their lightweight barrel is .625 inches in diameter and the heavy barrel is .750. While they didn't give weights like I asked, they did say the heavy barrel is about 13 oz heavier than the lightweight barrel. I guess that's not too bad so I'll probably order the heavy barrel and live with the weight. I don't think it should be too bad. I'm not going to hang that much stuff on it.

__________________
Jedi940 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
Colt AR-15 Sporter Match HBar greenmachinegc General Rifle Discussion 0 08-03-2009 01:16 AM
COLT HBAR for a newbie ah141nj AR-15 Discussion 2 01-27-2009 03:19 AM
AR Budget and what to get cpttango30 General Rifle Discussion 20 01-14-2009 02:57 PM