"BEST" AR, "BEST" Upgrades.... - Page 5
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion > AR-15 Discussion > "BEST" AR, "BEST" Upgrades....

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-21-2008, 04:42 AM   #41
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 129
Default

AGAIN,
I STRESS APPLICATION, APPLICATION, APPLICATION...

Do you NEED it, have you actually reached a point where you can't proceed to become more proficient without a better barrel, stock, sight, ect.

Or do you 'WANT' it...
You really don't go to the range and do any serious shooting...

You only go once or twice a year... Mainly because you don't want to clean the gun and buy new ammo...

You don't visit the places you intend to hunt so you can do some sketches of the terrain and note down ranges, wind angles/speeds and up/down angles if necessary.

You think some 'Do-Dad' will make up for lack of experience with the ammo/rifle or lack of familiarization with the location and it's quirks,

Or you are having some fantasy day dream about a situation where the 'Invading Hordes' will come marching up the the only thing that will turn the tide of battle is some 'Widget' that was in a package labeled 'Tactical'...
------------------------------------

The point I've been trying to get across all along is...

If you can't hit a reasonable target with absolute reliability,
It's not the barrel,
It's not the trigger,
It's not the sights,
It's not the make of the rifle,
It's not the color of the rifle,
It's not the lack of flashlights,
It's not the lack of lasers,
It's not the lack of front vertical grip,
It's not the lack of bypod,
It's not the lack of latest version of stock,
It's not the lack of $1,000 optics,
It's not the lack of latest super premium ammo,

Guys have been banging the centers out of 300 yard targets since our revolutionary war with flint locks without all that stuff.

Guys have been banging the centers out of 1,000 yard targets since our 'Civil' war.
Hiram Berdan's sharp shooters had to fire 120 rounds into a 1,000 yard target just to qualify!

Early Schuzen rifle competitions fired .45 & .50 cal. black power cartridges at 600 yards, 120 at a time just to qualify for final rounds at the end of the 19th century without all those trinkets...

It's the lack of concentration,
It's the lack of range time,
It's the lack of proper instruction,
It's the lack of familiarization with the rifle,
It's the lack of proper shooting stance...

There is NOTHING that will compensate for proper instruction and disciplined range time on targets.
--------------------------------

The there is the bunch, more of them that I'm sure you are likely to admit, that think firearms are 'Accessories' that project a 'perceived' life style.

When the large burden of owning a firearm is reduced to being a fashion accessory, then we are all in trouble.
I see lots of pictures of firearms, accessories, the 'zoomie bling' and everyone talking about the latest this or that,
But I have't seen ONE SINGE CONVERSION, or even MENTION of locking weapons racks, safes that cater to securing AR's, discussion of home security systems for their new AR's, discussion of how to 'Safety' an AR when it's in storage so even if someone does steal it, it's worthless as a weapon other than a club to the thief...

I don't know about you, but I'd feel responsible if someone managed to carry off one or more of my firearms and committed a crime with them...
If one was stolen, I'm sure I would loose much sleep over it's location and use.

If someone got hurt or killed because of one of my firearms, I Can GUARANTEE you I would blame myself right along with the guys that stole it and the guys that used it in a crime.
------------------------------

SO, with that in mind, let me be THE FIRST.
I use a military weapons rack for my AR 15 based rifles.
Readily available, adaptable, secures 10 rifles at a time with a single padlock.

I have it secured to the wall with 6 ea. 5" x 1/2" lag bolts, and it's screwed into three different (2 ea. all three three mounting points) wall studs.
If my house wasn't an old one, I would have reinforced the walls where the rack mounts with 4"x4" blocks secured to the wall studs.

I have made a set of side panels and doors for the rack.
3/16" aluminum plate secured with a second pad lock.

Don't think you can get away with an average 'Master' lock either, use some serious locks! A lock smith can direct you to a very good padlock.

I have TWO gun safes, one is sheet metal with two round key locks. I prefer the dual lock design and it works well for long guns.
I've added a full width security bolt/bar made from 1/4" x 2" flat steel stock and it's secured with another very tough padlock.

It's mounted in the end of a closet and secured to the wall studs, again, with 6 ea. 5" x 1/2" lag bolts.

The reason for the closet mounting is simple, the safe is as wide as the small closet is deep, you can't get a pry bar behind it to pry it loose form the wall so they can get it out in the floor to break it open.

I have a large combination safe from an old Jewelry store for handguns, several drawers, weights about 600 pounds and is lag bolted to the basement floor from inside.
It's supposed to be 'Fire Resistant', for what it weighs, and as hard as it is to move, it had better be able to take a direct nuclear strike!

The spare bedroom I use for my firearms stuff has some SERIOUS burglar bars on the outside, and chain link on the inside of the window,
The door is a steel security type with double locks, one being a steel tube reinforced jam dead bolt.

The house is alarmed, even though I really only use it for the 'Gun Room'...

When I have my AR in the vehicle with me, I have a ring in the floor with an 'Eye' on it and I use a heavy bike lock to secure the rifle.
Combo means no keys needed, and you will have to saw the rifle in half to get it loose without a torch.

Pistol box under the seat keeps the handgun safe if I don't feel like, or can't, take it with somewhere.
I keep the loaded AR Mags in that security box also.
Its the finger print type lock, so again, no key required and virtually instant access.

When I'm not going to be home for a while, or the guns are going into long term storage for what ever reason,
(not going to disclose EVERYTHING I do to each firearm for obvious reasons...)

I remove firing pins, substitute with 'Short' pins.
AR's are really effectively disarmed when you use a 'shortened' pin...

And if you do any shooting at all, we ALL have bent firing pins that would work great...
Since it's NEVER going to fire anything again, straighten to the naked eye, the file down/round over the end so it "Looks" normal but can't strike the primer.
It takes even a qualified gun smith a while to diagnose this problem, so it's going to outsmart ALL burglars and anyone that would buy/use a stolen rifle.

I pin back cocking pieces to keep firing pin form going forward when the trigger is pulled on bolt guns.
Short firing pins can be substituted also on bolt guns.
Just when the guy thinks he's got it figured out, he doesn't!

Adjusting the trigger where it simply doesn't engaged the cocking piece is another way to disable a bolt rifle, if it won't cock when the bolt is closed, it simply can't fire, and that takes about 1 minute to reverse when you get the rifle out of storage.

__________________

Last edited by AR Hammer; 08-21-2008 at 05:47 AM.
AR Hammer is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 04:57 AM   #42
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JWIII's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 108
Default

Someone has watched "Shooter" one too many times...

__________________
MySpace

Mossberd 500...

Beretta 96...

Smith & Wesson M&P15T...
JWIII is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 05:56 AM   #43
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 129
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JWIII View Post
Someone has watched "Shooter" one too many times...
One flippant comment is the ENTIRE sum total of your thought process to what you just read?

I get bashed for NOT 'Sharing', and when I do, I get 'B' movie references...

Interesting.
I'll have to think some about the kind of guy that could read close to 10,000 words on 'Application' and 'Security' and can only make a one line movie reference...

The pathology alone will keep me occupied through the next few "I got a new $400 flashlight mounted!" posts...
__________________
AR Hammer is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 05:57 AM   #44
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
matt g's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,885
Liked 7 Times on 5 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
MattG, that would be the guy from pIRATE4x4 web site...
Think I should post links to some of your 'Better' posts?
Do you think you will have any credibility when the guys here see how you treat other people and stuff every post with insults and as many 4 letter words as possible?

Before you preach, you need to have the high moral ground...
Just a clue for the next time you want to insult someone and rebuke them at the same time...



A direct and insulting post from a moderator, telling 'stories' that simply aren't true...
Fine example you are setting here Matt.

As for the posts you eluded to on pIRATE4x4 would be exactly 14, as of the 3 I posted today...
AND,
I'd like for you to link to anything you think is anything but polite and professional there...

From '06,
2 posts same thread, Offering help and complements.
2 posts same thread, Offering wiring diagrams and tech information.
1 post, solved the posters problem.
1 post, wiring diagram and tech info, solved the users problem in 1 post.
1 post, opinion/advice, no issues.
1 post, information.
1 post, information given, no reply from OP, so I figure he solved his problem.
1 post, information, one guy complained, but the rest of the group set him straight.

TODAY,
2 posts. Started a thread on shackle reversal asking for opinions Pros/Cons.
1 post. Started a thread asking for parts and extras storage solutions.

Would you like for me to post the links so the viewers can decide for themselves if I'm a bad influence on the pIRATE board?
Since there is only 14 that won't be hard to do...
..............



I've read your posts on pIRATE and here, so your opinion of me or my hardware doesn't matter to me.

I will clear some 'False Stories' up for the guys that don't know me yet... Let them make up their minds...

My 'Jeeps', All pretty much stock...
No exotic engine, no transplanted engines, all AMC/Jeep power plants that came in one thing or another...
No SUPER TUNE parts or racing parts. I'm going 60 mph or under, so I don't need 650 Horse Power.

I did transplant a couple of axles into vehicles I aqured that had weak axles that kept breaking. Since AMC/Jeeps are so simple, it's not hard work or expensive.

Haven't paid more than $1,200 for any of them...

That would be the Full Size Jeep Grand Wagoneer I purchased on E-bay for $1,200... Freshly rebuilt engine, freshly rebuilt transmission, less than 1,200 miles on both,
Excellent REASONABLY SIZED AT tires that were new,
Nevada vehicle that had never seen salt on the roads... No rust at all.
Air conditioning works great, good aftermarket stereo in it' everything worked.
Came with extra axles, extra transmission, extra transfer case, extra wheels and tires, and had new springs on it.
I sold one of the axles and the extra transmission/transfer case for $550.
Sold the extra wheels/tires for $200.

Was hit in the front end and the insurance company totaled it since it was an '86. He couldn't plate/insure it with a salvage title in the state he was moving to, so he delivered it here for $1,200.
I can title, insure and plate it here, we don't have 'Salvage' titles in this state... Insurance has to cover it like it was never hit.

It cost me $180 for a front fender and I already had a grill shell & hood from my other full size parts vehicles.

When a drunk hit it parked here at home, the insurance company gave me $2,600 for repairs. I put another front fender on it (the other side) for another $180.
It's a pretty good camping/tow vehicle when I have to trailer something...

Most of the vehicles were free or less than $300.

The little CJ I use the most was $450 and I have about $2,500 in it to date, and that includes new springs, since the old ones actually wore through at the eyes ($600), and new tires since I ran the old ones until they wouldn't hold air anymore ($550). Other wise the most expensive thing I've done was a tune up and first aid kit with fire extingusher.
(I wouldn't really call that 'Excessive')

And if by 'gadgets' & 'expensive parts... don't need',
Do you mean changing to electronic ignition from breaker points... GUILTY! I like it to start in the morning and every time I turn the key from that point forward.
Factory 'Junk Yard' parts and a little imagination does the trick.
Nothing expensive and nothing 'Not Needed'.

If you mean the under hood welder, we use it at least once a week on the farm.
Cost about $25 to make an old alternator into a welder.
Neither 'Expensive' or 'Not Needed'....

If you are talking about the little electric air compressor, since we air the tires down before we 'Wheel', we need to air them back up to drive on the highway...

The air compressor comes in handy for running tools one the trail and farm too.
Cost me nothing, it's a warranty return I fixed from where I work.

It's not a 'Trailer Queen'...
I drive it almost daily, weather permitting, since it only costs me about $15 in gas where my Cad would run about $50.

Let the readers do the math, I don't have much in any of them...
Off road is my 'Hobby' and I don't spend a bunch of money on 'Hobby' vehicles...

Do you also want to tell them the conversion/tune up ($60 to $80) and article I wrote and released for FREE..
For these little old jeeps is being sold as a 'KIT' on E-bay and it now it's a staple, almost a requirement, for jeep owners?

At last count, there were at least 40 places making money off my 'Free' upgrade, but I've never charged a dime to anyone, and freely give away the part numbers, 'How To' articles, and supply tech help to anyone (and everyone) that asks?

There are at least 400 threads pop up on my ignition upgrade alone on pIRATE when you que it in the search...
My orignal pic and article are still on the ORC servers from '99, so I can show EXACTLY where the first article came from, and who wrote it!

You guys may rewrite the information and switch it up a little so you avoid copyright laws, but other forums and sites had the good taste to credit the orignal series of post and my orignal articles...
I released it for FREE, the least you could do was show a little respect or gratitude for research, development and getting all the info given to you organized, categorized with all possible variations and in long hand.
Even the children at IFSJA gave credit when they plagiarized the orignal articles and screwed up the information...
If they would have asked, I would have let them use the ORIGINAL, correct articles for free... But you guys do things a little differently than I would...

How about your guys ripping off my water tight hub upgrade?
My images are still showing property dates of '99 & '00, but your guys 'Invented' it in '06 after I directed one of your users to my version and write up page? What's up with that?
And By the way, there is an updated article, and you guys haven't got the new images off my web site yet...
There is no point in asking for credit, or pursuing a copyright infringement suit against something that is making me zero dollars, but some recognition at least for the wiring diagrams and pictures would be nice...
.......................

Just good, solid, reliable and dependable back country transportation.
No 'Fad' hardware and no 'Expensive Accessories'.
No point in 'Bling' the cows aren't impressed, I'm too old and slow to chase teenagers, and it's just going to rust off or get knocked off anyway...

---------------------------------
BTY Matt,
Good try at an 'Attack Deflection', George Bush would be proud.
The only thing you haven't insulted of mine is my dog and my pocket knife..
My mental state (PO'ed right now) has been questioned, my motives have been questioned, the only thing you haven't called me is 'Communist' and tried to link me with Al Quada... YET!
(another republican favorite!)

Don't think about the problem or issues, or the actual message,
Don't try and find an solution,
Don't allow anyone to have a dissenting opinion,
Delete the post or thread,
And question their patriotism and their morals,
(and run the other way before anyone notices you are gone!)

I haven't lost sight of the orignal post/vent, and I haven't changed my mind much either...
See NEXT now that the 'Inaccuracies' Matt is slinging around are clear as mud...
Wow dude, relax. I've only been to Pirate twice, it burns my retinas. All the rest of the stuff you've made up on your own. No one here is out to get you. Please stop posting drunk or high or what ever it is that you're doing. It is strange that all of you posts come at night and come off as intoxicated ramblings.

If you want to whine and bitch and piss and moan please take it back to Pirate. If you want to be a useful member of this site, calm down and post away.

I have yet to stifle a dissenting opinion or question anyone's patriotism or morals. I'm not sure if you've read any of my other posts, but I'm the furthest thing from a Republican.

I closed the thread for the night in hopes that you would go to bed and relax, which evidently you didn't do.

Cheerfully awaiting your next post...
__________________

"'Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky? "
Roger Waters

Vote freedom, join the Libertarian Party.


Last edited by matt g; 08-21-2008 at 06:05 AM.
matt g is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 06:18 AM   #45
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JWIII's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 108
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
One flippant comment is the ENTIRE sum total of your thought process to what you just read?

I get bashed for NOT 'Sharing', and when I do, I get 'B' movie references...

Interesting.
I'll have to think some about the kind of guy that could read close to 10,000 words on 'Application' and 'Security' and can only make a one line movie reference...

The pathology alone will keep me occupied through the next few "I got a new $400 flashlight mounted!" posts...
Yeah pretty much.... When you talked about changing the firing pins; that was the first thing that came to mind.

That’s ridiculous changing the pins. I at least hope you don't leave them in the vault with the firearms... LOL.

Relax; no one wants to steal your A2 with iron sights.
__________________
MySpace

Mossberd 500...

Beretta 96...

Smith & Wesson M&P15T...

Last edited by JWIII; 08-21-2008 at 06:25 AM.
JWIII is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 06:20 AM   #46
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 333
Liked 3 Times on 2 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
Do the math, I don't have much in any of them...
Off road is my 'Hobby' and I don't spend a bunch of money on 'Hobby' vehicles...
But it's your lie, tell it any way you want too!
Nope, you can't have a hobby. Just like with guns, you must use your jeep look at your APPLICATION, APPLICATION, APPLICATION. If you aren't going in 4x4 in your daily driver, you can't have anything not stock on your jeep. You also aren't allowed to use upgrades on it in anyway...

Quote:
Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
It's using mostly off the shelf or junk yard parts to make it a little more dependable...
It's not a 'Mall Crawler' and I don't use it to cruise grade schools with rap music blasting, so I don't need the 'Fad' parts or 'Bling'.

Just good, solid, reliable and dependable back country transportation.
No 'Fad' hardware and no 'Expensive Accessories'.
Maybe that's what some of us want to do with our ARs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
Since the little jeeps do double duty as my 'Farm' jeeps, the home made welder is used quite often, but for $20 to make it, I don't think it qualifies as 'Bling' or 'Excessive'.

The point is, It's my jeep, so what others think about it really don't matter...
----------------------------
If you want to do that to your jeep, then why don't you want to let others do that to their rifle?
__________________
ranger_sxt is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 06:24 AM   #47
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JWIII's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 108
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ranger_sxt View Post
Nope, you can't have a hobby. Just like with guns, you must use your jeep look at your APPLICATION, APPLICATION, APPLICATION. If you aren't going in 4x4 in your daily driver, you can't have anything not stock on your jeep. You also aren't allowed to use upgrades on it in anyway...



Maybe that's what some of us want to do with our ARs?



If you want to do that to your jeep, then why don't you want to let others do that to their rifle?
+1... This is a great reply.

...you must use your jeep look at your APPLICATION, APPLICATION, APPLICATION. LOL, LOL, LOL...
__________________
MySpace

Mossberd 500...

Beretta 96...

Smith & Wesson M&P15T...
JWIII is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 06:33 AM   #48
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 333
Liked 3 Times on 2 Posts

Default

I am splitting this up into multiple posts, because your somewhat coherent babbling post is so damned huge...

Quote:
Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
I have been quietly reading a bunch of the threads here, and I'm seeing some 'Stinkin' Thinkin' going on...

First off,
There are only two or three people that are forcing their opinions and view points down everyone's throats.
That's a bad thing when someone is a 'Self Appointed Internet God'...

Secondly,
No one here is addressing the three primary rules,
1. APPLICATION.
2. APPLICATION.
3. APPLICATION.

All I see is advertisements for expensive parts you normally don't need and won't use.
1.) This sure seems like a pot calling the kettle black. You randomly post some creds later, but your rambling tells me that you are stuck in the 1980s in regards to firearm usage.

2.) Who are you to say what I will and won't use on my rifle? How do you know my job?
__________________
ranger_sxt is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 06:49 AM   #49
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 333
Liked 3 Times on 2 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
The 'BEST' AR (or any firearm for that matter...)

IS THE ONE YOU HAVE WITH YOU WHEN YOU NEED IT.


No sense in having one of the 'Tacti-Cool' AR's with all the mounting surfaces covered in 'Gadgets' if it's at home under the bed because the batteries are always dead or it's too heavy, or it's not 'Legal' in your area because you have this or that installed, ect. ect. ect.

Guys knock the first generation 'Soda Straw' barrels,
They knock the early style CAR shoulder stocks,
They knock early grab handles with the first generation sights,
They knock the 10 or 20 round mags...

THE PLAIN TRUTH IS...
(drum roll please...)
It's all BS.
1.) If a piece of kit helps me with my intended use of the firearm, how is it useless. I, for one, will accept the extra weight if it allows me to utilize it faster, better, or more accurately.

2.) Your list of parts, that “guys” knock:
a.) “Soda Straw,” or “Pencil Barrels,” as they are commonly called amongst those who know what they are talking about, have a major issue. They aren't as rigid. Rigidity is important in repeating shots (but you should know that). They tend to flex more under rapid-fire, and definitely flex more when one slings up properly. That is why the M4A1, which has a full-auto option, instead of the 3-round burst, has a heavier barrel. That is why the M16A2 had a larger diameter barrel than the M16A1. That is why free-float tubes were designed, and are now being suggested...
b.) The early CAR stocks, are loose. That is why people dislike them. They also have a greater tendency to collapse when you don't want them to. Most of the after-market stocks available have a tighter locking system and prevent the accidental collapse of the firearm...
c.) The early A1-style sights are acceptable. However, they don't have the ability to change the elevation depending on the distance that you are shooting. They also only have one aperture, which allows for greater accuracy, but diminishes the use of the firearm at closer distances.
d.) The 10 and 20 round magazines, are sort of silly. To quote Unforgiven: “I don't want to get shot for lack of shooting back.” Since badguys have this tendency to run in packs, and the human body has a tendency to not remember to die when you tell it to, I prefer to have as much ammo available. This reduces the frequency of my reloads, keeping the gun in the fight longer.
__________________
ranger_sxt is offline  
 
Old 08-21-2008, 06:49 AM   #50
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JWIII's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 108
Default

Like I said before; I think this is a case of Old School vs. New School.

There nothing wrong with having a light or laser, they both serve a purpose IMO.

I think he'd have an easier time trying to get Osama Bin Laden to convert to Christianity, then getting me to give up my scope, light, etc...

__________________
MySpace

Mossberd 500...

Beretta 96...

Smith & Wesson M&P15T...
JWIII is offline  
 
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
"Do "Gun-Free" Zones Encourage School Shootings?" cnorman18 The Club House 26 04-17-2012 09:57 PM
New youtube video I posted of "slow cycle" test of my Hi-Point SGT-MILLER General Handgun Discussion 7 05-19-2009 03:51 PM
No to HR 1022, "Assault Weapons Ban"" right winger Politics, Religion and Controversy 0 10-27-2008 01:54 AM
Witloe Remington 1858 New Model Army "Lee" & "Grant" bprevolver Blackpowder & Musket 0 09-25-2008 11:11 PM