Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion > AR-15 Discussion > AR15 Pistols

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-24-2012, 12:52 AM   #1
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Flint Rock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 441
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default AR15 Pistols

I have been looking at the Rock River AR 15 pistols, and some of the other brands. I see that some put a foam padding on the buffer tube. I was wondering if anyone has heard if the ATF puts any limit on what you do with the tube. I know if it has a "stock" the pistol becomes a SBR, but at what point does added on padding become a stock? I see that a tube on an AR is not a stock, but if you look at a Rossi Ranch Hand you will see that "pistol" clearly has a whole lot more material (stock?) at the rear than is mechanically required by the action. The Ranch Hand looks to me like it could be fired from the shoulder. In fact, to me the Ranch Hand looks like a SBR with a short stock.
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=17
So, has anybody heard anything about adding additional padding to the buffer tube of an AR pistol?

__________________

There is in life perhaps one fleeting moment when the courage, dedication and resolve of one man gambling against all odds will alter the destiny of nations.

Flint Rock is offline  
 
Reply With Quote

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today - It's Free!

Are you a firearms enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Firearms Talk is owned and operated by fellow firearms enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information.

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today! - Click Here


Old 11-24-2012, 01:12 AM   #2
Vendor
FTF_SPONSOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
X-mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 324
Liked 39 Times on 31 Posts
Likes Given: 4

Default

The Ranch Hand is actually a rifle. It shoots a pistol catridge, but the firearm is still a rifle. foam padding on an AR buffer tube is fine and is not a stock. being able to get a comfortable cheek weld does not make it a stock, so you should be fine with foam on the buffer tube.

__________________

ROG Tactical
Corona, CA
sales@rogtac.com

Visit www.rogtac.com for quality AR-platform parts and accessories.

Forum members use coupon code, FT5, to save 5% on most products.

X-mark is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2012, 02:29 AM   #3
Camo, you are lucky to see it.
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
KG7IL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Eatonville,Washington. My nearest neighbors are cows.
Posts: 2,414
Liked 1702 Times on 942 Posts
Likes Given: 5175

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by X-mark View Post
The Ranch Hand is actually a rifle. It shoots a pistol catridge, but the firearm is still a rifle. foam padding on an AR buffer tube is fine and is not a stock. being able to get a comfortable cheek weld does not make it a stock, so you should be fine with foam on the buffer tube.
It's actually a handgun.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/m-articlepage.aspx?id=3777&cid=6
KG7IL is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2012, 02:36 AM   #4
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
kryptar19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: arkansas
Posts: 1,691
Liked 589 Times on 353 Posts
Likes Given: 1165

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KG7IL
Yep, sold and classified as a handgun.

An SBR is a rifle with a barrel under 16". If that firearm does not have a stock (see AR pistol), or it has a "stock" under a specific length (see Rossi Ranch Hand) it is a pistol.
__________________
kryptar19 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2012, 05:31 AM   #5
Vendor
FTF_SPONSOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
X-mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 324
Liked 39 Times on 31 Posts
Likes Given: 4

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KG7IL View Post
Holy chit! I'll be Demmed! You are right. Now I want one of those! I've got a Winchester 94 chambered in 45 Colt, but this little lever action is pretty interesting...lol.
__________________

ROG Tactical
Corona, CA
sales@rogtac.com

Visit www.rogtac.com for quality AR-platform parts and accessories.

Forum members use coupon code, FT5, to save 5% on most products.

X-mark is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2012, 10:06 AM   #6
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Flint Rock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 441
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

My question remains, at what point would a buffer tube "cover" become a stock and move a pistol AR into the land of the tax stamped SBR? I look at the Range Hand stock as an example. Could an AR pistol still be an ATF classified pistol, and avoid the tax stamp, if it had some sort of cap on the buffer tube that made it more shoulder friendly?

__________________

There is in life perhaps one fleeting moment when the courage, dedication and resolve of one man gambling against all odds will alter the destiny of nations.


Last edited by Flint Rock; 11-24-2012 at 11:49 PM.
Flint Rock is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2012, 02:09 PM   #7
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
SSGN_Doc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 4,049
Liked 1908 Times on 1141 Posts
Likes Given: 404

Default

I would say that once you add on to the end of the buffer tube you are entering buttstock territory. Wrapping the buffer tube with padding really gives no extra purchase to the shoulder. If you have shot ARs with your nose in the charging handle before you might find that a pistol buffer tube may still provide enough stability just the way it is.

__________________
SSGN_Doc is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2012, 08:47 PM   #8
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
AgentTikki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: City of Lost Angels, Kommifornia
Posts: 3,444
Liked 335 Times on 264 Posts
Likes Given: 51

Default

I'd say anything meant to specifically help you shoulder the weapon.

__________________
Assumption is the mother of all ****ups.
Know what you know, Know what you don't know. -Paul Pedzolt
"Jack of all trades, master of none, though oftentimes better than master of one" -Mynshul
AgentTikki is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 02:16 AM   #9
Camo, you are lucky to see it.
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
KG7IL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Eatonville,Washington. My nearest neighbors are cows.
Posts: 2,414
Liked 1702 Times on 942 Posts
Likes Given: 5175

Default

Check out the RRA LAR PDS Pistol. Golly, no buffer tube to get in the way.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id= 441

__________________
JOIN THE NRA

Email your representatives USE THIS LINK

KG7IL
KG7IL is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
GUN SHOW in FT MYERS Florida! PMR30 M92 Yugo Pistols AK AR 10 AR15 10/22 sharkcoasttactical Sponsor Display 1 09-11-2012 07:48 PM
EA pistols? skullcrusher Revolver Handguns 2 05-18-2011 03:41 PM
Ar15 pistols hideit AR-15 Discussion 7 11-16-2010 01:43 AM
The KEL-TEC .380 and .32 Pistols SGT-MILLER General Rifle Discussion 2 09-28-2008 02:30 AM
AR Pistols notdku AR-15 Discussion 5 07-26-2008 02:11 AM