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Flint Rock 11-24-2012 01:52 AM

AR15 Pistols
 
I have been looking at the Rock River AR 15 pistols, and some of the other brands. I see that some put a foam padding on the buffer tube. I was wondering if anyone has heard if the ATF puts any limit on what you do with the tube. I know if it has a "stock" the pistol becomes a SBR, but at what point does added on padding become a stock? I see that a tube on an AR is not a stock, but if you look at a Rossi Ranch Hand you will see that "pistol" clearly has a whole lot more material (stock?) at the rear than is mechanically required by the action. The Ranch Hand looks to me like it could be fired from the shoulder. In fact, to me the Ranch Hand looks like a SBR with a short stock.
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=17
So, has anybody heard anything about adding additional padding to the buffer tube of an AR pistol?

X-mark 11-24-2012 02:12 AM

The Ranch Hand is actually a rifle. It shoots a pistol catridge, but the firearm is still a rifle. foam padding on an AR buffer tube is fine and is not a stock. being able to get a comfortable cheek weld does not make it a stock, so you should be fine with foam on the buffer tube.

KG7IL 11-24-2012 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by X-mark (Post 1024871)
The Ranch Hand is actually a rifle. It shoots a pistol catridge, but the firearm is still a rifle. foam padding on an AR buffer tube is fine and is not a stock. being able to get a comfortable cheek weld does not make it a stock, so you should be fine with foam on the buffer tube.

It's actually a handgun.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/m-articlepage.aspx?id=3777&cid=6

kryptar19 11-24-2012 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KG7IL

Yep, sold and classified as a handgun.

An SBR is a rifle with a barrel under 16". If that firearm does not have a stock (see AR pistol), or it has a "stock" under a specific length (see Rossi Ranch Hand) it is a pistol.

X-mark 11-24-2012 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KG7IL (Post 1024952)

Holy chit! I'll be Demmed! You are right. Now I want one of those! I've got a Winchester 94 chambered in 45 Colt, but this little lever action is pretty interesting...lol.

Flint Rock 11-24-2012 11:06 AM

My question remains, at what point would a buffer tube "cover" become a stock and move a pistol AR into the land of the tax stamped SBR? I look at the Range Hand stock as an example. Could an AR pistol still be an ATF classified pistol, and avoid the tax stamp, if it had some sort of cap on the buffer tube that made it more shoulder friendly?

SSGN_Doc 11-24-2012 03:09 PM

I would say that once you add on to the end of the buffer tube you are entering buttstock territory. Wrapping the buffer tube with padding really gives no extra purchase to the shoulder. If you have shot ARs with your nose in the charging handle before you might find that a pistol buffer tube may still provide enough stability just the way it is.

AgentTikki 11-24-2012 09:47 PM

I'd say anything meant to specifically help you shoulder the weapon.

KG7IL 11-26-2012 03:16 AM

Check out the RRA LAR PDS Pistol. Golly, no buffer tube to get in the way.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id= 441

http://hanoverguns.com/images/tactic...pds-pistol.jpg


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