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Old 04-18-2012, 02:35 AM   #1
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So my understanding is that if i buy a registered ar pistol lower i can put an 11.5" barrell on it and its not considered a sbr by atf standards. Correct me of im wrong. Also ive never seen a pistol lower with a stock on it. Is this illegal? Or are they made so you cant fit a stock on them?

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Old 04-18-2012, 02:36 AM   #2
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Barrel* sorry typing from an ipod

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So my understanding is that if i buy a registered ar pistol lower i can put an 11.5" barrell on it and its not considered a sbr by atf standards. Correct me of im wrong. Also ive never seen a pistol lower with a stock on it. Is this illegal? Or are they made so you cant fit a stock on them?
If it has a stock it is not a pistol. They make pistol buffer extensions that will not except a stock.
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Check your local laws first. I know in Calif there's a bunch of hoops you have to jump through in order to get one.

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If you put a stock on a pistol, it is then a short barrel rifle ( SBR). If the rifle barrel is shorter than 16" it must be registered. Anyone could take a hacksaw to an AR barrel or put a stock on a pistol with a long ride to prison if they get caught. The buffer tube could be changed to use a stock to answer your question, just don't do it.

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If it has a stock it is not a pistol. They make pistol buffer extensions that will not except a stock.
Some make special tubes that won't accept a stock. You can use a regular old buffer tube, but I would find a way to make it soma stock wouldn't fit on it. Unless the stock is on the rifle, it's not a SBR, so you could technically have a pistol AR with a normal buffer tube without having it modified so as to not fit a stock, and have it right next to a stock that's just waiting for a buffer tube, and TECHNICALLY you're still ok. There is no "intent to make an unregistered SBR" charge, but that doesn't mean you won't get hassled and questioned for it. Save yourself the time and either make a normal buffer tube incapable of accepting a stock, or buy a special one. I have seen foam padding on the tube and even a cheek weld piece that attaches to the tube, as long as it isn't a stock (defined as something made to rest against your shoulder) then its ok.

People say all sorts of stupid things, like it's illegal to shoot the rifle with the buffer tube on your shoulder since that would be using it LIKE a stock, but they are full of crap. The buffer tube was designed as part of the rifle, part of how it functions/cycles, with no thought to it being a piece that was intended to rest on your shoulder. It is therefore, by definition, not a stock. They can't tell you HOW you can or cannot shoot your rifle, it would be like telling you it's illegal to fire the rifle with the buffer tube resting on your knee. Just know the definition of a stock, don't ever put one on it, and you should be in the clear.
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Todd, I would consult a NFA attorney or the ATF regarding intent. I'm just going by gut feeling but I simply would not use a standard receiver extension (mistakingly called it a buffer extension above) on a pistol. I have and it gave me such an uneasy feeling I never even fired the thing and sold it off.

It has been described to me as anything verticle.

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Alright starting to make a bit more sense now. Thankfully my local laws allow ar's and ar pistols so in that regard im in the clear. Also i would prefer to assemble the upper of my ar pistol with an 11.5 or 9 in barrel. The only thing i dont understand is the gas system. How it works yes. How to make it work correctly with a shorter barrel not really. Any explination on this would be very helpfull. Also i plan to have it chambered in 6.8 spc II so idn if that would affect the gas system. This project is going to be a home defense/varmant weapon. The lower is a RRA 5.56 pistol lower(which i am under the undertanding that it will work with a 6.8 upper

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Todd, I would consult a NFA attorney or the ATF regarding intent. I'm just going by gut feeling but I simply would not use a standard receiver extension (mistakingly called it a buffer extension above) on a pistol. I have and it gave me such an uneasy feeling I never even fired the thing and sold it off.

It has been described to me as anything verticle.
Thanks for the correction, and what I said IS based off copies of ATF letters I have read, not just what I have heard. The ATF makes it very clear that there is no intent charge, just don't put the stock on a standard receiver extension, or whatever it's called, and there won't be any problems.

Funny, a branch of the government that actually speaks in clear terms and doesn't muddle the water with what-ifs, crazy!!
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There are several pistol specific receiver extensions. Spike's Tactical is one of the more popular choices.

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