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Old 01-25-2013, 06:24 PM   #11
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The OP can call it what he will but the current prices are what the market is bearing ,EVERY DAY , EVERY WHERE . The only people I see complaining about the prices are the ones that dont have any or didnt stock up and try to make us that are stocked feel obligated to help supply them . I do not feel for those people . The AR community is tight ? Yes we are a tight group of people but no Im not going to short myself or family as this is what we may need to protect ourselves in our very future . Some people look at it differently than I do but my immediate family and I come first and foremost . I have several family members that are on their own . They already milk the system and get the freebies , They already know not to come knocking on my door, it will just be trouble for them. Sorry I sound so harsh and rude even to my family members but I grew up on bread , water and government cheese. We didnt have all the luxury freebies the people of today have and I will never go back to cheese sandwiches or make my kids go thru what I did .

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If you live in the US, then you are always benefitting from the ways of a captialistic society. Prices vary on all products based on demand. Gasoline is a great example. Storms, supply disruptions, etc drive prices up. Stores with stock on hand increase prices based on future cost increases to them. When prices retreat, assuming they do, that retailer has the higher cost product on hand that must be sold. They trim their profit to move it. It can be done since they fattened profit when it began. The comparison is right now, gun part and accessories are up in price. When you sell a product for $100 you have to look at all aspects. If you buy it for $60, then add $10 to shipping, plus pay your associated cost such as building rent, employees, utilities and then even card processing fees ( realize that it cost more to process the same item at a higher price.....for example a gallon of gas sold for $1 costs 2.5 cents to the vendor in visa fees. That same gallon sold for $3 costs 7.5 cents to process from visa. While a nickel doesn't seem like a lot, think about that nickel for every gallon when you sell 20,000 gallons a day). So with a 10-15 percent cost increase you may see a 30-40 percent price increase. Now realize that you simply can't get inventory. People are willing to pay whatever they can just to get something. Doesn't mean we have to buy, nor do we have to do business with them later. But this price thing, it happens all the time with different products. Like the gas issues of the 1970's. find someone who treats you good and support them during and after the event. If things go back to normal the asshats like CTD will loose income. Those who didn't rape us will have more customers. But you should be thankful you live in a place where you can own an AR, instead of a place that they can't. Learn from these experiences and be prepared next time.

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When it comes right down to it, most people are only interested in their own pocket book.

For what it's worth, I will relay this little story to you.

So, I decided to sell my NORINCO MAK-90 on GunBroker that I no longer wanted because I upgraded to an Arsenal SLR-101S and only have so much room in my safe. I think I originally posted it for something like $500 or so. I think I paid $350 or $375 for it when I originally purchased it and put at least $400 dollars worth of aftermarket parts (Ultimak gas tube and rail hand guard w/ rail covers, Tapco stock, Tapco grip, Tapco G2 trigger, Chinese AK front sight and gas block, CNC Warrior NORINCO 84 style flash suppressor) and gunsmithing (front sight straightening, installation of the AK front sight and gas block, drilling for a cleaning rod, turning the barrel on a lathe to thread the muzzle for a flash suppressor) into the gun. I included several 30 round magazines, cleaning equipment, Chinese chest rigs, Blue Force Gear sling and sling loop. The gun was not pristine, but it was in no way abused, had no rust on it anywhere, and was always taken care of. I figured I would get the $500 for it but no more. It sold for over $1000. I never expected it to sell for that much and thought that surely no one would pay $1000 for a used stamped AK, no matter the condition or who the manufacturer was.

Point is, I didn't do that, the bidders did. Why anyone would pay that much for a used AK of any kind is beyond me, but they did. The man that purchased it had AK's from just about every major manufacturer and wanted a stamped Chinese gun to shoot and for his collection. He stated that he was very happy with it and thought it was worth the money. What was I supposed to do, tell him that I wouldn't sell it to him at that price and not abide by the terms of the auction?

The FFL's and many if not most of the private sellers are looking out for numero uno. If nobody does business with them, the prices will fall. If there is no AWB II, then the prices will plunge and the FFL's will be desperate for business. There's no real upside for anyone involved. I think that AWB II will ultimately fail because there's no support in Congress for it and the one thing politicians, even Democrat politicians, understand is giving up your seat by making unpopular votes on controversial legislation.

If you absolutely have to have something now, then buy it and realize that you will pay a premium for it. If not, then do what the rest of us do and ride out the storm. There was a gun buying panic when Obama was first elected and I had no part in it. Shortly thereafter, magazines, ammunition, and firearms were available at reasonable prices. If the Democrats do succeed in passing AWB II, then they will also succeed in giving up their seats in Congress. Politicians are not rocket scientists, but they're not completely brain dead when it comes to keeping their power, which they value above everything else.

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When it comes right down to it, most people are only interested in their own pocket book.

For what it's worth, I will relay this little story to you.

So, I decided to sell my NORINCO MAK-90 on GunBroker that I no longer wanted because I upgraded to an Arsenal SLR-101S and only have so much room in my safe. I think I originally posted it for something like $500 or so. I think I paid $350 or $375 for it when I originally purchased it and put at least $400 dollars worth of aftermarket parts (Ultimak gas tube and rail hand guard w/ rail covers, Tapco stock, Tapco grip, Tapco G2 trigger, Chinese AK front sight and gas block, CNC Warrior NORINCO 84 style flash suppressor) and gunsmithing (front sight straightening, installation of the AK front sight and gas block, drilling for a cleaning rod, turning the barrel on a lathe to thread the muzzle for a flash suppressor) into the gun. I included several 30 round magazines, cleaning equipment, Chinese chest rigs, Blue Force Gear sling and sling loop. The gun was not pristine, but it was in no way abused, had no rust on it anywhere, and was always taken care of. I figured I would get the $500 for it but no more. It sold for over $1000. I never expected it to sell for that much and thought that surely no one would pay $1000 for a used stamped AK, no matter the condition or who the manufacturer was.

Point is, I didn't do that, the bidders did. Why anyone would pay that much for a used AK of any kind is beyond me, but they did. The man that purchased it had AK's from just about every major manufacturer and wanted a stamped Chinese gun to shoot and for his collection. He stated that he was very happy with it and thought it was worth the money. What was I supposed to do, tell him that I wouldn't sell it to him at that price and not abide by the terms of the auction?

The FFL's and many if not most of the private sellers are looking out for numero uno. If nobody does business with them, the prices will fall. If there is no AWB II, then the prices will plunge and the FFL's will be desperate for business. There's no real upside for anyone involved. I think that AWB II will ultimately fail because there's no support in Congress for it and the one thing politicians, even Democrat politicians, understand is giving up your seat by making unpopular votes on controversial legislation.

If you absolutely have to have something now, then buy it and realize that you will pay a premium for it. If not, then do what the rest of us do and ride out the storm. There was a gun buying panic when Obama was first elected and I had no part in it. Shortly thereafter, magazines, ammunition, and firearms were available at reasonable prices. If the Democrats do succeed in passing AWB II, then they will also succeed in giving up their seats in Congress. Politicians are not rocket scientists, but they're not completely brain dead when it comes to keeping their power, which they value above everything else.
Well stated. I believe in the free market I know if I wanted to part with my spike I could make a huge profit and buy another one or two after the panic. I won't part with it. It's never been shot and I always wanted one. I also agree with the other poster about protecting immediate family, I also agree some people weren't ready for this panic. I believe in being prepared, I just started on my supplies for an AR. I'm ready with my pistols, ammo, mags and the such. Now as for how I feel about my future brother in law and not selling anything. Well lets say now, no more working on cars for free or anything else. I don't expect anyone anywhere else to sell me anything, family that I help, I do. But that's just me.
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The OP can call it what he will but the current prices are what the market is bearing ,EVERY DAY , EVERY WHERE . The only people I see complaining about the prices are the ones that dont have any or didnt stock up and try to make us that are stocked feel obligated to help supply them . I do not feel for those people . The AR community is tight ? Yes we are a tight group of people but no Im not going to short myself or family as this is what we may need to protect ourselves in our very future . Some people look at it differently than I do but my immediate family and I come first and foremost . I have several family members that are on their own . They already milk the system and get the freebies , They already know not to come knocking on my door, it will just be trouble for them. Sorry I sound so harsh and rude even to my family members but I grew up on bread , water and government cheese. We didnt have all the luxury freebies the people of today have and I will never go back to cheese sandwiches or make my kids go thru what I did .
It does sound harsh but no matter what anyone says we're not that far removed from "the law of the jungle". All it takes is a crisis or natural disaster. I encourage my family and friends to be prepared for at least a couple weeks of a social breakdown. (Food, water, gas, batteries, guns, ammo, etc.) Few take it seriously and even make fun of me but if it happens guess who they'll come to for help. I'll try to help but it all depends on how bad it is and how long.
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If stores worry abot AR's <running out> due to govt actions they will try to get a high market price.
Because where will they be when their product is illegal?

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It does sound harsh but no matter what anyone says we're not that far removed from "the law of the jungle". All it takes is a crisis or natural disaster. I encourage my family and friends to be prepared for at least a couple weeks of a social breakdown. (Food, water, gas, batteries, guns, ammo, etc.) Few take it seriously and even make fun of me but if it happens guess who they'll come to for help. I'll try to help but it all depends on how bad it is and how long.
I couldnt agree more , These so called relatives " family members" I have offer nothing to bring to the table in a SHTF scenerio other than a mouth to feed and a hand out . They have never done squat for me or my family even when times werent great for us , most never show to any family events Thanksgiving , Christmas, etc . I have closer friends that are more like family than most of my relatives and they would help me out if I was ever in a financial SHTF and would help me put food on the table , Same way goes for them we have a mutual agreement between us friends to help each other out .
My wife is finally seeing the light , she at first thought I was about half nuts , but she has several teacher " prepper " friends that she works with that have finally given her some insight of whats really going on . Would beside me if we cant go 30+ days with what she has stock piled for food and water let alone for the other crap I have she knows nothing about
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I couldnt agree more , These so called relatives " family members" I have offer nothing to bring to the table in a SHTF scenerio other than a mouth to feed and a hand out . They have never done squat for me or my family even when times werent great for us , most never show to any family events Thanksgiving , Christmas, etc . I have closer friends that are more like family than most of my relatives and they would help me out if I was ever in a financial SHTF and would help me put food on the table , Same way goes for them we have a mutual agreement between us friends to help each other out .
My wife is finally seeing the light , she at first thought I was about half nuts , but she has several teacher " prepper " friends that she works with that have finally given her some insight of whats really going on . Would beside me if we cant go 30+ days with what she has stock piled for food and water let alone for the other crap I have she knows nothing about
I know what you mean. One of my neighbors who is a buddy of mine lived in a "gun free" house at his wife's demand. Her stance is her 3 kids...11, 4 and newborn around guns and accidents blah blah blah. He "dislikes" greatly not having any. A few weeks ago he asked me to help change her mind. He started in on her with "scenarios," to which her every answer was to come to my house cause I have all the guns. So even though she is a friend, I made the case quite bluntly. (Partly for her husband, partly for her true education). In less than 30 minutes I changed her mind and he is putting away a few bucks at a time to renter gun ownership. Sometimes all it takes is the blunt truth. Also, even though my mother inlaw and I didn't get along the first decade I was married, I recently learned she had a bit of prepper in her. Some good food and weapon stocks. Good enough I decided her place made a good bug out location. Certain loyalties take a back seat to self preservation. A lot of people will have to learn the hard way.
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There is no such price fixing community that Im aware of. The price gouging is indeed a result of supply and demand. Recently the prices are skyrocketing because the supply is running out AND the demand is high. As a dealer myself I'm on a 5 to 6 week waiting list for anything related to the AR 15 and there is still no guarantee I'll get what I want. Many distributors have stopped taking backorders altogether. In short, were now into the manufacturing bottleneck phase. Any dealer that has AR's available may be the last ones they get to sell for months. Its just the free market guys. When manufacturing can't keep up , then the prices go up. Sorry if you missed the boat

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it's called a freedom of choice. you have a choice. either pay what the asking price is or don't pretty simple. the person selling has the choice to ask any price he feels the need to ask. free market and supply and demand. simple economics. don't like the price then don't buy.

if someone owns something and they don't feel like selling, then that's their choice. a person doesn't need to get all bent out shape just because another person doesn't want to sell off some of their guns or ammo. they are not obligated to sell just because they have it and you don't. that's just classic socialist thinking. take from those who have and give to those who don't!

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