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Old 09-04-2013, 10:36 PM   #21
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Random thoughts, in no particular order....

The thing most people don't consider when purchasing glass/optic are eye box and field of view. Something with a forgiving eye box like a red dot or low powered optic, will give a sight picture quickly and easily. Important when hunting.

Something with an unforgiving eyebox, like a high powered optic or poorly designed one, will be difficult to get a sight picture because you have to have a consistent check weld to get your eye in the perfect position to even find the reticle. Not great for hunting.

Ask most hunters walking around and you will find that even tho they sport a 3-9x they usually hunt at about half the power. Mostly because at higher powers, the feild of view is so small its hard to find your target.

Having a switch view is probably just as fast if not faster than a flip to the side magnifier. Also you can slowly zoom up and not lose your target as you are aiming.

A RDS/HWS is always gonna be faster than any magnified optic even one with true 1x, and a hell of a lot more forgiving.

No one optic is the perfect one for every given situation. You will make sacrifices and allowances to get one that works best for you.

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Not to question your experience, but there are quite a few good reviews out there on it.


Just a question, you do not happen to have an astigmatism do you? I have found with some clients in my line of work if their astigmatism is "against the rule" as it is called, they tend to have distortion issues looking through certain optics. The fish eye effect you describe is almost word for word what I have had another client describe.

Again not trying to discredit you, just curious, as looking around for the last 15 min so I have not seen a poor review.

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i know good optics from bad. ive got quite a large collection of realllly nice scopes trijicon nightforce nikon weaver vortex leupold aimpoint etc.

vortex rds as in the sparc and strikefire (have both) are really nice for the price range. their magnifier is not. the problem is that around the edges whomever grinds the glass for those is doing a super low budget job of it.

just giving an honest opinion of someone who has had one for a while and has used it outside a gunstore counter top. you can make of it what ya will just my opinion.
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Bigred,

I had one other thought that might be considered. With your 512 and using the EOtech 3X Magnifier. The reticle dot in the EOtech 512 is actually 1/3 MOA but looks like 1 MOA to the human eye. So the good news is that if you add the EOTech 3X magnifier the dot still only looks like a 1 MOA Dot. Larger magnification of other magnifiers will make the dot larger. Of course if you are going with a good scope and mount this is irrelevant. Just thought I would share this fact with you.

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Thanks again guys! I was talking to some fellow hunters tonight about my questions and one of them brought up the point that they seem to recall that Idaho does not allow hunting with holographic sights...if this is the case it pretty much solves the problem for me I will look into it and check back here.

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i know good optics from bad. ive got quite a large collection of realllly nice scopes trijicon nightforce nikon weaver vortex leupold aimpoint etc.

vortex rds as in the sparc and strikefire (have both) are really nice for the price range. their magnifier is not. the problem is that around the edges whomever grinds the glass for those is doing a super low budget job of it.

just giving an honest opinion of someone who has had one for a while and has used it outside a gunstore counter top. you can make of it what ya will just my opinion.
I can say I have a strike fire rds and Jon is spot on!!!

Its magnifier is terrible mine is a 2x magnifier it puts the red dot of my sight way to the left in the field of view, plus it has a very small field of view.
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Who are you disagreeing with? I must have missed the post.
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If you look on the first page 1 poster said he never paid more than $100 for a scope.

" I have a 1 in 7 twist barrel on my AR. I am running a Simmons 3-9 x 40. It says 8-Point on it. I don't remember where I got it. But I have never spent more than $100 on a scope. I can shoot 100 yard 3 shot groups with the holes touching each other. It can't be too bad."

Another posted, "But the other issue is if you are looking for a quality quick disconect scope mount for the full sized scope you are looking there around $199.00. Then if you buy a good scope for around $300 you are goiing to have right at $500 anyway."

While I don't dispute you can't get a scope for $100-$300 that will last for a while if not subject to heavy use or put on hard recoiling rifle I just have seen to many lower priced scope fail or have horrible resolution, so bad you could not see 22 caliber holes @ 100 yards, or have such horrible tracking that zeroing in was next to impossible or have the reticle fall apart or rotate the first time out to the range. That is why I was disagreeing with buying a low priced scope. I have heard some shooters who have has lower priced scopes and have had good luck with them. There is always the exception to the rule you get what you pay for in an optic.
Talk to the guys on snipershide.com who are mostly experienced dedicated long range precision shooters and see what they have to say about putting a low priced scope on any rifle.
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I am pretty sure that I am going to be going with a standard scope now. Magnifier options are out of the picture. I have talked to 3 game wardens and gotten 3 different interpretations of the "electronic sights" law as it is written here in Idaho. The last game warden probably offered the best advice, just go with a scope and no one will question it.

@JonM - earlier you mentioned a QD mount, is this one you are referring too?

http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/106/

Going that route I would still need to purchase a single mount to get the scope attached to thatqd mount correct?

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Don't go buying mounts until you figure out what scope you want..... For the life of me, I can't figure out what that mount you like could be used for...... o.O

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Bigred. Not knowing how your hunting laws are written, a Red Dot(Scope) and a Halographic Sight are actually two different types of Sighting Devices. While each projects an image to guide the Eye to it's Target, a Red Dot Scope is an enclosed device(Tube) that is no different than an Illuminated Reticle, with Variable Power, type Scope, which in this case would be a Dot.
While a Halographic Sight is built with a projector of a Reticle that goes through open space to a Receiver Lens that is specially coated to reflect the Reticle. I hope I'm correct as to how this Sight works.
So with this, does your Laws actually say (NO) to any Projected type Reticles? How does your Hunting Law feel about Illuminated Reticle Scopes, or a Scope like the Bushnell 3200 w/Fireglow Reticle?
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Bigred. Not knowing how your hunting laws are written, a Red Dot(Scope) and a Halographic Sight are actually two different types of Sighting Devices. While each projects an image to guide the Eye to it's Target, a Red Dot Scope is an enclosed device(Tube) that is no different than an Illuminated Reticle, with Variable Power, type Scope, which in this case would be a Dot.
While a Halographic Sight is built with a projector of a Reticle that goes through open space to a Receiver Lens that is specially coated to reflect the Reticle. I hope I'm correct as to how this Sight works.
So with this, does your Laws actually say (NO) to any Projected type Reticles? How does your Hunting Law feel about Illuminated Reticle Scopes, or a Scope like the Bushnell 3200 w/Fireglow Reticle?
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Well see, that is the problem, no one can give me a strait answer. I spent about an hour on the phone today getting shuffled between different people. Earlier when I was out on a hunt w/ a friend we ran into 2 wardens and neither of them could give me a definitive answer.
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